ScoutterSSJ's power list (based on the manga)

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Raditz arrival
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Son Goku (with weights): 334
--> full power: 416
--> Kamehameha: 924

Piccolo Junior (with weights): 322
-- full power: 408
-- Makankosappo: 1,330

Raditz: 1,250 Raditz 1500 would make him stronger than the Makankosappo which would break the whole logic of the fight.
Raditz has to be clearly below the 1330 of the first Makankosappo. Furthermore, he was compared with a Saibaman, with 1500 units of strength that comparison wouldn't make sense.

Mutenroshi: 139
Kuririn: 206
Yamcha: 177
Tenshinhan: 250
-- full power: 293

Mr. Popo: 300
Kami-Sama: 330

Yajirobe: 160

1 year afterwards

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Chaozu: 610
Yajirobe: 970

Saibaimen: 1,200

Yamcha: 1,480
Kuririn: 1,770
Tenshinhan: 1,830

Son Gohan: 1,500
-- Enraged and firing a Masenko: 2,800
-- Enraged vs vegeta: 2,800

Piccolo: 3,500

Nappa: 7,000 Even if in terms of speed and strength he was leagues below Goku, Nappa was a very resistant fighter. He took Goku's 8000+ punches and not only survived, but absorbed the damage pretty damn well.
--> Fully focused: 8,000+ It's a nice detail that you paid attention to the second part of the fight, which shows Nappa's real potential.
In that part, he managed to match Goku in terms of speed and strength, and he was probably more resistant than him as well giving him a little advantage if the fight hadn't ended in the way it did.
With 6000 of power, 8000 Goku wouldn't have been matched.

Uninjured-focused Nappa 12,000 This is the strength I think Nappa would have had if he started to fight focused from the beginning. In terms of offensive power maybe he would be a 9,000-10,000, but that would be compensated by his monstruous sturdiness.

Son Goku: 8,000
--> Kaioken: 16,000
--> Kaioken x3: 21,500 with pain & falling rapidly Goku had already lost some energy at the point he activated the KKx3. Vegeta was playing with him and he didn't took any fatal damage, but his power wasn't intact at that point.
Furthermore, the KKx3 destroyed his body at a faster pace than he could deal damage to Vegeta, so that peak of 22,500 didn't last even for an instant.
-->Kaioken x4 (peak): 16,000 After the KKx3, Goku was already pretty tired and his whole body aching. His power level had to already fall a lot.


--> Power rapidly falling: 1,000 If the KKx3 damaged his body a lot, the KKx4 completely trounced it. Goku's power level after KKx4 shouldn't be even a fraction of his max.

Vegeta: 18,000
--> Weakened: 11,000 If by weakened we understand after the KKx4, I think Vegeta took a good deal of damage and sunked a lot of energy into his Garlik Ho.
--> Post fake moon: 3,500 Lower because he didn't took much damage in his Oozaru form besides Goku's surprise attack in his eye, and he was barely above enraged Gohan's level (2800) after he recovered.
If we considere that the fact of transforming and untransforming makes him lose energy, then it could be a bit higher.
--> Oozaru: 35,000 (above number x 10).
--> Back to normal: 2,900 We know enraged Gohan is 2800 from the rage boost he had against Nappa. We also know that rage boosts ingore injuries, but he surely woluldn't be stronger either.
--> Post being hit by GD: 450 I don't think Vegeta was as strong as Raditz at that point. He could take damage from Yajirobee, his attacks didn't even kill very injured Goku&co... he was already at his lasts bits of energy.

Namek arc

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Kuririn (with weights): 1,500
-- full power: 1,800

Son Gohan: 1,800

Namekian: 3,000

Appule: 2,500

Kiwi: 18,000
Dodoria: 22,000

Zarbon: 23,000
--> Transformed: 29,500

Vegeta: 24,000
--> post healing: 30,000

The Ginyus arrive

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Guld: 8,000

Kuririn: 14,000
Son Gohan: 18,000

Vegeta: 30,000

Recoome: 40,000
Jheese: 40,000
Burta: 40,000

Son Goku (relaxed and casual): 5,000
--> power used to battle the ginyus: 60,000
---> full base power: 90,000
---> Kaioken: 180,000

Captain Ginyu: 120,000

Vegeta (healed from Recoome's fight): 45,000
--> power used to kill jheese: 250,000

Battle against Freeza

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Kuririn: 22,000 Krilin's power increased because he was able to fight against Ginyu. Maybe the Namekian ritual still had an effect on him.

Son Gohan after his rage boost: 700,000 His rage boost allowed him to surpass supressed 2nd form Freezer, who at the very least should have been well above the 530,000 of his maximum 2nd form power.
--> post Zenkai (rage boost): 800,000 His masenko was strong but 2nd form Freezer defeated it with his brute strength alone.

Vegeta: 380,000 Strong, but considering that Freezer wasn't even tired after his exchange with him I think that Freezer was still not using all of his 530,000 power to fight at that point.

Freeza (1st form): 530,000

Piccolo (post Kaio training): 265,000
---> post fusion with nail: 980,000 Below Freezer's 2nd max form, but above his power up after Gohan's rage boost.
---> Full power: 1,200,000

Freeza (2nd form): 1,060,000 I take his statement of being above 1,000,000 in the same way he said his strength was 530,000 against Nail.
Freezer was boasting about his (ummeasured, he was approximating it) power so his estimation surely was made as "the power I can have in this form" and not "the power I'm currently using".
--> beginning: 650,000
--> powered up: 900,000
--> full power: 1,060,000

Freeza (3rd form) : 2,300,000 Even if he used all his strength to defeat Gohan's masenko, he still overpowered a 2-2.5x Ki attack with just his brute strength.
--> final form (initially) : 3,300,000 A tad stronger but we're close in our estimations.

Vegeta (Zenkai) : 1,400,000 Vegeta wasn't aware of his real strength. He could see Freezer's weak death beams demonstrating he was well above Piccolo, but his attitude towards Freezer is just by pure overconfidence.
The fact is that Freezer managed to surpass his best Ki attack with just a kick. I doubt Freezer had to increase his Ki a lot to do it a.

Son Goku (zenkai!!): 315,000
--> Kaioken x10: 3,150,000 That's the state Goku was when he started to fight Freezer. This is a common misunderstandment that happened becuase the animated version suddenly drawn the KK aura around Goku when Kaito explained Goku was using it.
Even if it's true that Goku fighting with KK without an aura may seem contradictory with the rest of the instances when the KK was used, the fact is that the KKx10 aura is never drawn in the manga.
Goku had been using the KKx10 the whole time, that's the revelation Kaito makes.

--> Kaioken x20: 5,000,000 (KKx10 x 2 except for the fact that Goku had already lost a considerable amount of energy because of 50% Freezer's beating. He took Freezer by surprise by the sudden increase from KKx10 to KKx20, but he was clearly below him because he couldn't even connect his 2nd hit and Freezer almost stopped his KameHameHa with his bare hands -in the end he had to resort to a Ki blast of his own to counter the technique).

Freeza (50%) : 6,200,000 (Freezer was a very sturdy character, he lost a bit of strength due to his play-fighting with KKx10 Goku while using 25% of his power but not much).
Freeza (50%) After the Genkidama: 1,900,000 The Genkidama Goku made already took into account Freezer was only using 50% of his power. In other words, Freezer resisted it because of his incredible sturdiness but in his own words he almost died and was badly injured by it. His power surely took a big hit.
--> 70% : 2,450,000 Enough to make an impact on SSJ Goku, a bit less than the regular jump from 50 to 70 due to him having lost energy fighting (and losing) against SSJ Goku.
--> 100% (peak): 2,900,000 Freezer's body wasn't accostumed to fight, so in order to use his maximum strength he overcharged his muscle mass (something that happens when an untrained body tries to fight at his maximum strength) which automatically results in a loss of Speed, and thus, power level (as Vegeta said, PL is not just offensive Ki but also speed, and resistance to damage).
Also, it's loss of stamina may have already affected him even before he reached peak 100% because he started to force his body at 80% of his power.

--> Goku Super Saiyan: 2,800,000 A bit below peak 100% Freezer in power, but close enough to fight against him in equal terms and surpass him after Freezer's stamina depleted.

Trunks arrives

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King Cold: 760,000 King Cold was in his 2nd form, and probably hidding his power. 760,000 would be his peak strength in that form taking into acount that he was considerably weaker than his son.
Mecha Freeza: 750,000 I don't take Freezer's words literally because anyone sensing his powers says the opposite as him. For how the scene plays, I think that Freezer simply felt recovered, saw that in his robotic form he had much more stamina and headed directly to earth not knowing his real strength.

His performance vs Trunks was not only much below the SSJ (which had the same PL than Goku in Namek), but just on par with his father in 2nd form in terms of dodging and overall speed (in a form that should be faster than the one his father uses).

Future Trunks: 1,950,000 Close to his father or a bit above him.
--> Super Saiyan: 2,800,000 Stated by Gohan he had the same Ki than Goku at Namek.

Son Goku: 330,000 He reached his base state PL limit before turning into a SSJ. It can be argued that his 300.000 weren't his exact peak and that he was just close enough to it but it can't be a huge difference otherwise Gohan would've turned into a SSJ before him.
--> Super Saiyan: 2,800,000 He didn't have time to train besides learning the shunkanido and learning to transform at will. Also no zenkays anymore after reaching the base state limit as explained later by Vegeta, so his power didn't increase from Namek.



Chaozu: 20,000
Yamcha: 25,000
Tenshinhan: 40,000
Kuririn: 35,000

Regarding the humans, their progress has to be much more moderate since their hard trainings have long ended.
Since Yamcha & Tien had a lot of time to train with kaito I think it's very possible that they surpassed Krilin.


Son Gohan: 200,000 Un-enraged, I don't think he's that much strong. He doesn't approach the limit of his base state until after some weeks of training inside the RoSat.

Piccolo: 1,350,000 He got stronger, but just regular training and not any feat to compare to so no incredible increases.
Vegeta: 1,600,000 He was approaching his base state limit so no big increases.

The Androids arrives!

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Yamcha: 40,000
Tenshinhan: 50,000
Kuririn: 55,000

The humans have more limited progresses than an average saiyan or super namek, and I don't think they increased their strength anymore past this point in the series.


Son Gohan: 650,000 He's a regular saiyan, and his rage boosts make him increase his strength a lot. Furthermore, he never participated in the fight against the androids so we don't have any feat to compare.
He surpassed Goku in his base state, I'm sure of that, and he was trained for 3 years so he shouldn't be far from his base state limit even if he didn't reach it until his training in the RoSat.

Piccolo: 2,750,000 Close to a SSJ.

Son Goku: 330,000 His base state limit, it can't increase past that.
--> Super Saiyan: 2,300,000 He started to fight already ill, and Piccolo stated that his power was much lower than what one would expect from a SSJ (any SSJ).

Vegeta: 1,800,000 He reached his base state limit during the 3 years of training in preparation for the androids. It took him some time to realise he wasn't improving any more and some more time to hate himself to the point of having the rage boost that unlocked his SSJ.
Of course, he won't be able to go past that from here onwards.
--> Super Saiyan: 3,150,000 Stronger than SSJ Trunks/SSJ Namek Goku, and at the same level or a bit above SSJ Goku after the 3 years of training if he hadn't had the heart disease.

Future Trunks: 1,950,000 He was a SSJ when he first appeared, and future trunks was born from a non SSJ Vegeta so he was like Gohan. In other words, he had already reached his base state peak power when he fought meacha Freezer.
--> Super Saiyan: 2,900,000 He went to the future, re-charged the machine and came back. Since regular training doesn't work with the SSJ and he was lacking a lot in the fundamentals he couldn't have progressed much or even at all.


Android #19: 2,050,000 Weaker than #20.

Android #20: 2,350,000 Stronger than #19 but considerably weaker than Piccolo.

Android #18: 3,100,000 Comparable level of strength as Vegeta SSJ, a tad weaker because SSJ Vegeta managed to match her after she had already dealt some damage to SSJ Vegeta.
Of course the unlimited stamina/energy gave her too much of an upper hand but in terms of fighting capabilities she wasn't stronger than him.

Android #17: 3,350,000 Stronger than his sister, but in the same ballpark due to how 16 speaks of them.

Imperfect Cell: 2,950,000 Strong enough to be in the SSJ levels of power, weak enough to having to hide from an unaware SSJ Vegeta that would have been the perfect prey.


Piccolo (fused with kami) : 3,300,000
--> Full power: 3,500,000 Above enough from #17 to have a much better fight against him than Vegeta had against 18, but not enough to completely dominate him and win the fight.


Imperfect Cell (post humans): 3,950,000 Cell absorbed "hundreds of thousands of humans", going from kids to old people. If the average strength of an adult male that works in the farm is 5, your average victim in a city should be 2-3 at best.


Android #16: 3,800,000 Close enough to Cell that he would've won the fight if Cell hadn't been able to absorb #17.

Post RoSaT training

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Semi Perfect Cell: 5,000,000 Much stronoger than in his previous form.
--> Full power: 5,500,000 Not a big increase.

Vegeta (post training): 1,800,000 (base state limit can't be broken).
--> Super Saiyan: 4,000,000 Considerably stronger than before. He didn't train the SSJ well, but that year in the RoSat surely made him improve in the right ways even if he didn't notice.
--> Super Saiyan grade 2: 6,100,000 Enough to beat Cell like he is nothing.

Future Trunks (post training): 1,900,000 (base state limit can't be broken).
--> Super Saiyan: 3,800,000
--> Super Saiyan grade 2: 5,950,000 Below his father.
--> Super Saiyan grade 3: 5,900,000 This is where Ki sensing and scoutter readings diverge. Yes, in terms of offensive Ki Trunks was much stronger, but as Goku and Cell carefully explained, that was a form that simply exchanged speed for strength.
Since the PL not only measures Kis but overall capabilities (that's why Goku and Piccolo PL increased when they took off their clothes, even if they didn't had any more hidden ki than when they were wearing them), an unbalanced form like this would result in a loss of PL because Trunks was a worse fighter with it than without it.

Same logic that applies to 100% Freezer, but with the difference that Freezer was really extracting more power and Trunks just used a form to go from 100% of power to 100% of power with much more strength and much lower speed.


Perfect Cell (initially vs vegeta and trunks): 8,000,000 Clearly above both of them, could also be 9,000,000 perfectly, but he didn't do anything as absurd as kicking back Vegeta's best Ki blast so it wasn't a 2-3x difference either.

Son Goku Super Saiyan half power: 6,200,000 Above SSJ Grade 2 Vegeta.


Cell Games!!

Piccolo: 6,500,000 He got stronger in the RoSat, but not enough to be in Goku's/Gohan's league.

Future Trunks: 1,900,000 (base state limit)
--> Super Saiyan: 4,100,000
--> Grade 2: 6,500,000

Vegeta: 1,800,000 (base state limit)
--> Super Saiyan: 4,100,000
--> Grade 2 Vegeta 6,850,000:
The second day in the RoSat for both Vegeta and Trunks was there just to explain us that the SSJ couldn't be further improved through the regular methods of training.
There may have been a slight increase, but since neither Trunks nor Vegeta focused on mastering the Ki (just physical training) the increases had to be very, very low and of course not enough to put them close to FP SSJ Goku.
And since Trunks was an even more inexperienced fighter than Vegeta, his increases had to be even lower than his father's modest progress.
Still above 50% SSJ Goku, since he was sure he had surpassed Goku.

Cell Junior(s): 7,050,000 A bit above SSJ Grade 2 Vegeta and Trunks, but close enought to have a good fight with them.

Son Goku: 330,000 (base state limit)
-- Super Saiyan: 12,400,000 (double his half strength).

Son Gohan: 1,750,000 (base state limit reached in the RoSat)
--> Super Saiyan: 12,600,000 (above his father's in terms of pure strength).
--> Super Saiyan '2': 20,000,000 (effortlessly beat Cell, but not as effortlessly as other beatings we've seen in the series -still not enough to counter ki attacks with his bare hands for example).

Cell (vs goku) : 12,500,000
1st zenkay (small one, after Goku's fight): 13,500,000
(vs Gohan): 14,000,000
--> Full power: 16,000,000
--> 'Super' Perfect Cell: 20,500,000 very strong, even more than Gohan I would say considering how badly injured Gohan was left after taking Cell's attack, that was only meant to kill Vegeta.
After that Cell only played with Gohan and got killed by a surprise attack before he could even think of using all of his power.

That would be my power list until the Cell saga. Regards!
 
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Which ones would you change? :)

Regards!
Android #16 and Imperfect Cell should at least have a x2 gap between Android #17 and Piccolo, if you're a minimalist. And if you're a minimalist, Perfect Cell and Vegeta and Semi Perfect Cell and Android #16 should have at least x1.5 gaps. I'm not a minimalist at all though.

Also, I just noticed you don't even use the Daiz numbers for 50%-100% Freeza and Kaioken x10-x20 and SSJ Goku.
 
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Android #16 and Imperfect Cell should at least have a x2 gap between Android #17 and Piccolo, if you're a minimalist. And if you're a minimalist, Perfect Cell and Vegeta and Semi Perfect Cell and Android #16 should have at least x1.5 gaps. I'm not a minimalist at all though.

A 2x gap I think is far too much, though it's true that they could be a bit higher.
Cell at 4,250,000
A16 at 4,100,000


This would make the difference big enough for the superiority they displayed over Piccolo and A17.

Also, I just noticed you don't even use the Daiz numbers for 50%-100% Freeza and Kaioken x10-x20 and SSJ Goku.
Yes, the Daizenshuu numbers contradict the manga.
Raditz at 1500, Nappa at just 4000... and the whole Goku vs Freezer fight is also wrong.
I think that they used the anime as their reference, and they commited two big mistakes:
1. Goku was using the KKx10 during the whole battle against Freezer. That's why I basically divide by 10 their numbers (and adjust them a bit to make more sense of them).
2. They disregard the logic of the whole series regarding the power a fighter has during a fight. Goku replenished his strength with the rageboost when he turned SSJ, I'm ok with that, but giving him a 50x mulitplier over base Goku is wrong:
100% Freezer, uninjured would be at around 40x base Goku. So just going by that, SSJ Goku should have been a 40x over his base state.
But when Freezer decided to use the 100% of his power, he had already lost a ton of power because of the Genkidama that nearly killed him.

The Daizenshuus missed all the subtleties of Toriyama's work when estimating power levels, nearly every one of the ones they tried to guess was wrong on very fundamental aspects.

Regards!
 

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Imperfect Cell: 2,950,000 Strong enough to be in the SSJ levels of power, weak enough to having to hide from an unaware SSJ Vegeta that would have been the perfect prey.
Hey, I think you have this incorrect. Cell specifically said he avoided Vegeta (and everybody else, in fact) because he didn't want to draw any more attention to himself, not that he was weaker or anything like that. He nearly got caught by Piccolo and could have ended his entire mission prematurely, so he learned from the experience and decided it was best to continue in the shadows, which was also stated by the Z-Fighters when Cell left Ginger Town. Given the reactions from the Z-Fighters to Cell's ki when he powered up against Piccolo, it would go towards his credibility that he actually held more raw power than even Super Saiyan Vegeta.
 

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Hey, I think you have this incorrect. Cell specifically said he avoided Vegeta (and everybody else, in fact) because he didn't want to draw any more attention to himself, not that he was weaker or anything like that. He nearly got caught by Piccolo and could have ended his entire mission prematurely, so he learned from the experience and decided it was best to continue in the shadows, which was also stated by the Z-Fighters when Cell left Ginger Town. Given the reactions from the Z-Fighters to Cell's ki when he powered up against Piccolo, it would go towards his credibility that he actually held more raw power than even Super Saiyan Vegeta.
When Cell hides from SSJ Vegeta he was surprised by how storng Vegeta was.
Cell was strong, but he was still stated to be considerably weaker than both androids, while SSJ Vegeta managed to equal A18 in strength (even if he lost because of the stamina).

Cell avoided Piccolo, but if he had been above SSJ Vegeta he could've surprise attacked him without any risk (Piccolo and the rest wer far away) and absorb his energy which would've put him above Piccolo.
I think that scene works better with Cell a bit below Vegeta (still in a level of power comparable to a SSJ, just a bit below Vegeta that was the strongest of the bunch).

Regards!
 

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Chapter: 364 (DBZ 170), P8.3
Cell: “I’ll keep absorbing human life energy unnoticed, and steadily increase my power. And once I’ve greatly exceeded the power of No.17 and No.18, I’ll force them to merge with me…!”

Chapter: 364 (DBZ 170), P9.4
Cell: “Vegeta?! So he hasn’t been killed by No.17 and No.18 yet…And even he’s got far more power than I predicted…”

Cell was shocked that Vegeta was alive and more powerful than he predicted. There's no hint about Cell being weaker than Vegeta. In fact, Cell made his decision to covertly absorb humans before he sensed Vegeta's power, after which Vegeta's power made no difference in the execution of his plan.

Chapter: 362 (DBZ 168), P8.4-6
No.17: “So why don’t you tell us who’s fighting who, while you’re at it?”
No.16: “I don’t know. Neither is in my data. But one of the powers is large enough to rival you two.”

Chapter: 364 (DBZ 170), P5.1
Cell: “I’ll definitely get hold of No.17 and No.18! Even if you guys try to stop me from reaching my perfect form, it won’t do any good! Not if Piccolo is the only one able to put up a bit of a good fight against No.17 and No.18!”

Chapter: 364 (DBZ 170), P11.7
Vegeta: “The battle power I sensed then really did surpass mine, as a Super Saiyan…I'm-impossible…He’s just a Namekian...”

Cell also said Piccolo (the suppressed version) was the only one able to put up a fight against the androids, which you can read was backed up by Android 16. Even though Cell hadn't sensed Vegeta yet when he said that, Vegeta directly stated Piccolo's suppressed power was superior to his Super Saiyan power. Surely you're not proposing that Piccolo is both weaker and rivaling Android 18 simultaneously? I see you are hanging on to one piece of a statement from Trunks during the battle with Android 18, despite all the evidence to the contrary. I question why this is.
 

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Cell was shocked that Vegeta was alive and more powerful than he predicted. There's no hint about Cell being weaker than Vegeta. In fact, Cell made his decision to covertly absorb humans before he sensed Vegeta's power, after which Vegeta's power made no difference in the execution of his plan.
The hint, to me, is that Cell doesn't attack him despite having the surprise factor in his side. I mean, if he was stronger than SSJ Vegeta that would have been a very easy and convenient prey for him.
SSJ Vegeta was a tad stronger in my opinion (there would still be a nice fight between them), strong enough that Cell has to let him leave for the moment.

Cell also said Piccolo (the suppressed version) was the only one able to put up a fight against the androids, which you can read was backed up by Android 16. Even though Cell hadn't sensed Vegeta yet when he said that, Vegeta directly stated Piccolo's suppressed power was superior to his Super Saiyan power. Surely you're not proposing that Piccolo is both weaker and rivaling Android 18 simultaneously?
Kami-Piccolo > A17 => Supressed Piccolo > A18 = SSJ Vegeta, that's how I see it.
Even if A16 speaks of Piccolo as the only able to fight both androids, we know that A17 surpases A18, which gives us margin to put supressed Piccolo (who didn't supress himself a lot, he just was wearing his weightened clothes) above SSJ Vegeta in terms of powers.
Since the androids advantage in both fights came because of their unlimited strength, and Piccolo fared much better against A17 than Vegeta against A18, we can put unrestrained Piccolo a bit above A17 in terms of pure strength (not above enough to grant him a win, of course).

By the way, SSJ Vegeta couldn't rival the androids in terms of overall fighting capabilities. In strenght he matched A18 (the weakest android) in terms of power, but the unlimited stamina is a huge barrier to overcome.

I see you are hanging on to one piece of a statement from Trunks during the battle with Android 18, despite all the evidence to the contrary. I question why this is.
It's not only Trunks, but every single participant on that fight.
One one hand, Trunks is the one that most convinced is that Vegeta can win (Ten was also pretty convinced as well), but when Piccolo corrects him he doesn't contradict Trunks in the fact that ssj Vegeta is actually matching A18 in power, he just observes that Vegeta is losing his stamina while the Android can always fight at max strength.
On the other hand, A17 also says that since SSJ Vegeta is so strong, A18 won't be able to win if the other Z-fighters help him (of course, he's speaking of Vegeta when he's at his maximum strength).
What's the evidence of the contrary according to you? I don't think I've missed anything that contradicts this!

Regards.
 
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Hey, I have to go fiddle with myself and I disagree with every word you said. But that's life.
You're free to disagree as much as you want, of course, I'm just saying that the manga statements points towards Vegeta matching A18 in brute strength, and that was never contradicted even once..

Regards!
 
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  • :go16:
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  • :mine:
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  • :win:
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  • :wise:
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  • :zeno:
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  • :zzzz:
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  • :v3:
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  • :v5:
  • :v6:
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  • :v9:
  • :vi1:
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  • :w1:
  • :y1:
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