Goku had to have experienced God kii before DBS

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How you say? When Old Kai sacrificed and gave Goku his remaining life.

Getting the life of a god had to have had some affect on Goku before training with Whis.
 
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I clearly overlooked this thread lol

I completely forgot about this but it makes sense for Goku. He has actually been close to "higher beings" since early on in DBZ when he formed a bond/friendship with King Kai. Maybe this is why Beerus picked up on his vision. I mean it really isn't clear when he started having the visions either. Maybe it started after Goku comes back to life at this point in the story.
 
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I smell retrospect coming on! Listen, I applaud the writers for picking up on factoids they can use for future narrative. It's a m***** f***** to write cohesive plot lines. Hindsight is 20/20 after all. :cheeky:
 
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I clearly overlooked this thread lol

I completely forgot about this but it makes sense for Goku. He has actually been close to "higher beings" since early on in DBZ when he formed a bond/friendship with King Kai. Maybe this is why Beerus picked up on his vision. I mean it really isn't clear when he started having the visions either. Maybe it started after Goku comes back to life at this point in the story.
Very true. Goku spent a lot of time with Kami and they even refer to the Nameks overlooking worlds as deities, which I do find a bit odd since not all Nameks look over worlds. It's an interesting thing to think about considering how the show has evolved from the original Dragon Ball. If I'm not mistaken, Piccolo was supposed to be like the devil and Kami was supposed to be like god. I think the Japanese characters on their robes even said that.
 
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Very true. Goku spent a lot of time with Kami and they even refer to the Nameks overlooking worlds as deities, which I do find a bit odd since not all Nameks look over worlds. It's an interesting thing to think about considering how the show has evolved from the original Dragon Ball. If I'm not mistaken, Piccolo was supposed to be like the devil and Kami was supposed to be like god. I think the Japanese characters on their robes even said that.
Yup! I remember them referencing about Piccolo's symbol in Dragon Ball as well.

King Piccolo's kanji, 魔, pronounced ma and meaning "demon", "devil", or "evil spirit". King Piccolo wears this kanji on the front of his uniform, as does Piccolo Jr. as a young child. Piccolo Jr. also gives Gohan this kanji while under his training. The word majin also borrows from this symbol (meaning the same things).
Kami's kanji, 神, pronounced kami and meaning "god". Kami wears this patch on the front of his robes, and is stitched in. During Dragon Ball Z: The Return of Cooler, Dende is briefly shown wearing Kami's old outfit. Goku's Doll wears a modified Turtle School Uniform featuring this symbol on the back and front as well.
I do wonder how they manged to go from this to where they are now without completely losing the plot.
 
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