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<blockquote data-quote="Blockinlick" data-source="post: 53663" data-attributes="member: 234"><p>This list is meant to be very conservative. A goal of mine here is keep these numbers as low as possible. It has helped me in debates about power levels (Particularly Krillin being a planet buster) to point to, not only the inflated power lists, but my most conservative one as well.</p><p></p><p>In other words, you could see this list as a "Bare minimum power level" list.</p><p>One thing I factored in here that a lot of lists don't is that power levels should drop as fighters become damaged, use ki, and fight for an extended period of time.</p><p>Most notably, this made the numbers for Frieza and SSJ Goku MUCH lower than other lists put them, setting a precedent for the numbers in the following arcs to be much more grounded.</p><p></p><p>Because of that, howevet, some of my numbers start higher than usual and END lower than usual. For instance, I start Raditz at 1500 when most lists put him at 1,200, but this makes sense when you consider the damage, energy used, and stamina drain he takes throughout his fights.</p><p></p><p>I wanted to go into Super, but I ran into difficulty gauging power with its scaling inconsistencies.</p><p></p><p>Anyways, here it is:</p><p></p><p>* denotes an actual scouter reading.</p><p></p><p>---Saiyan Saga---</p><p></p><p>-Raditz Arc</p><p></p><p>Farmer with a Shotgun: 5*</p><p></p><p>Roshi: 139*</p><p>Yamcha: 177*</p><p>Krillin: 206*</p><p>Tien: 250*</p><p>Piccolo: 408*</p><p>Goku: 416*</p><p>Gohan: 710*</p><p>Raditz: 1,500</p><p></p><p>-King Yemma's Fruit</p><p>Goku: 800</p><p>-Bubbles Training</p><p>Goku: 2,000</p><p>-Gregory Training</p><p>Goku: 3,500</p><p>-King Kai Training</p><p>Goku: 5,000</p><p></p><p>-Planet Vegeta 100 Years Ago</p><p>Scarface: 8,000</p><p>Shorty: 3,000</p><p></p><p>-Saiyan Arc</p><p></p><p>Saibamen: 1,100 each</p><p>Chiaotzu: 700</p><p>Gohan: 981*</p><p>Yamcha: 1,000</p><p>Tien: 1,000</p><p>Krillin: 1,083*</p><p>Piccolo: 1,220*</p><p>Nappa: 6,000</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting:</p><p>Nappa: 5,500</p><p>-After Chiaotzu Explosion</p><p>Nappa: 5,000</p><p>-After more extensive fighting</p><p>Nappa: 4,500</p><p></p><p>Goku: 5,000+*</p><p>-After Kaioken x4</p><p>Goku: 21,000+*</p><p></p><p>Vegeta: 18,000</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Goku: 2,500 / 10,000</p><p>Vegeta: 12,000</p><p></p><p>-After Beam Struggle</p><p>Goku: 700</p><p>Vegeta: 4,000</p><p></p><p>-After Oozaru</p><p>Oozaru Vegeta: 40,000</p><p></p><p>-After being crushed by Vegeta</p><p>Goku: <50</p><p></p><p>-The Spirit Bomb</p><p>Spirit Bomb: 12,000</p><p></p><p>-After losing Spirit Bomb</p><p>Spirit Bomb: 3,500</p><p></p><p>-After Krillin lands Spirit Bomb.</p><p>Vegeta: 500</p><p></p><p>After Gohan Transforms</p><p>Oozaru Gohan: 9,000</p><p></p><p>After Gohan lands on Vegeta</p><p>Vegeta: <50</p><p></p><p>---Namek Saga---</p><p></p><p>Gohan: 1,500*</p><p>Krillin: 1,500*</p><p>Warrior Namekians: 3,000* each</p><p>Cui: 18,000</p><p>Dodoria: 21,000</p><p>Zarbon: 22,000</p><p>Vegeta: 24,000*</p><p>Beast Zarbon: 30,000</p><p>Frieza (Suppressed): 200,000</p><p></p><p>-Post-Zarbon zenkai</p><p>Vegeta: 40,000</p><p></p><p>Nail: 42,000</p><p></p><p>-After Guru awakening</p><p>Gohan: 10,000</p><p>Krillin: 8,000</p><p></p><p>Guldo: 12,000</p><p>Jeice: 40,000</p><p>Burter: 40,000</p><p>Recoome: 50,000</p><p>Captain Ginyu: 120,000</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Krillin: 500</p><p>Gohan: 2,500</p><p>Vegeta: 10,000</p><p>Recoome: 35,000</p><p></p><p>-After Gohan rage-boost</p><p>Recoome: 25,000</p><p></p><p>-After Goku arrives</p><p>Goku: 90,000</p><p>After Kaioken powerup: 180,000</p><p></p><p>-After Senzu Bean zenkai's</p><p>Gohan: 15,000</p><p>Vegeta: 50,000</p><p></p><p>-After Ginyu Body Changing concludes</p><p>Goku: 200</p><p>Vegeta: 40,000</p><p></p><p>-After King Kai training</p><p>Chiaotzu: 25,000</p><p>Yamcha: 30,000</p><p>Tien: 30,000</p><p>Piccolo: 40,000</p><p></p><p>-After resting super-zenkai</p><p>Vegeta: 190,000</p><p></p><p>After extensive fighting</p><p>Vegeta: 100,000</p><p>Frieza: 110,000 (Of 200,000 - 90,000)</p><p></p><p>-After fusing with Nail</p><p>Piccolo: 400,000</p><p></p><p>-After powering up</p><p>Frieza: 440,000 (Of 530,000 - 90,000)</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Frieza: 300,000 (Of 530,000 - 230,000)</p><p>Piccolo: 270,000</p><p></p><p>-After transforming</p><p>Frieza: 800,000 (Of 1,030,000 - 230,000)</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Krillin: <50</p><p>Vegeta: 20,000</p><p>Piccolo, 100,000</p><p>Frieza: 600,000 (Of 1,030,000 - 430,000)</p><p></p><p>-During/after rageboost</p><p>Gohan: 700,000</p><p>Frieza: 400,000 (Of 1,030,000 - 630,000)</p><p></p><p>-After Dende healing & super-zenkai</p><p>Gohan: 70,000</p><p>Krillin: 8,000</p><p>Piccolo: 400,000</p><p></p><p>-After super-zenkai (Dende healing)</p><p>Vegeta: 700,000</p><p></p><p>-After transforming</p><p>Frieza: 900,000 (Of 1,530,000 - 630,000)</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Piccolo: 300,000</p><p>Vegeta: 500,000</p><p>Frieza: 700,000 (Of 1,330,000 - 830,000)</p><p></p><p>-During/after rageboost</p><p>Gohan: 800,000</p><p>Frieza: 600,000 (Of 1,330,000 - 930,000)</p><p></p><p>-After transforming</p><p>Frieza: 2,070,000 (1%) (Of 3.3m - 930,000) (329.07m at 100%)</p><p></p><p>-After super-zenkai</p><p>Goku: 600,000 / 2.4m</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Dende: 0</p><p>Vegeta: 5</p><p>Krillin: 8,000</p><p>Gohan: 75,000</p><p>Piccolo: 300,000</p><p>Frieza: 2,000,000 (Of 3.3m - 1m)</p><p>(329m at 100%)</p><p></p><p></p><p>-Goku arrives</p><p>Goku: 600,000 / 2.4m</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Goku: 500,000 / 2m</p><p>Frieza: 1.6m (1%) (Of 3.3m - 1.4m)</p><p>(328.6 at 100%)</p><p></p><p>-After Frieza powers up to 50%</p><p>Frieza: 164.3m (Of 330m - 1.4m)</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Goku: 250,000 / 1m</p><p>Frieza: 164.0m (Of 330m - 1.7m)</p><p>Spirit Bomb: 350m</p><p></p><p>-After Spirit Bomb & Frieza attacks</p><p>Goku: 130,000 / 520,000</p><p>Frieza: 120,000 (-322,300,000 from Spirit Bomb)</p><p></p><p>-After SSJ transformation</p><p>Goku: 6.5m (130,000 x 50)</p><p></p><p>-After Frieza powers up to 100%</p><p>Frieza: 6m</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Goku: 2m</p><p>Frieza: 1.4m</p><p></p><p>"You're not even a challenge to me anymore"</p><p></p><p>-Current maximums</p><p>Goku: 600,000 / 30m SSJ</p><p>Frieza: 330m</p><p></p><p>---Android Saga---</p><p></p><p>At this point, I have to explain why my numbers are going to seem quite low. See, my numbers for this saga started out a bit higher, but I ran into a dilemma that made me realize that they needed to come down... a lot.</p><p></p><p>That is that I refuse to believe that Piccolo made such extreme gains enough to do so well against Android 20. That said, the power of Androids 19 & 20 needed minimized to the furthest degree that could make sense.</p><p></p><p>I did by making some pretty serious assumptions about judgements made by Piccolo & Vegeta. More specifically, I need to assume that Piccolo and Vegeta don't have a very accurate recollection of Goku's power level when he returned vs when he fought Android 19. Basically, Goku's power level must have been WAY down from the virus and Piccolo didn't realize it.</p><p></p><p>I also decided that I shouldn't take the Frieza Force scientists claim that Frieza was going to be stronger than before. In fact, I like to believe that he was quite a bit weaker.</p><p></p><p>I know that contradicting direct statements from characters is a bit blasphemous, I think it's more silly to work around Piccolo gaining to 400 million from 400,000 in just under two years.</p><p></p><p>This method takes that down to 100 million, but I have one more assumption to make that make sense. That is that he did learn Kaioken, but probably wasn't very good at it, so he didn't plan on ever using it until Android 20 made him want to risk it all. So that mixed with a rage boost got him to the 100 million.</p><p></p><p>That may be venturing into head-canon, but I'm merely trying to make it make sense and Piccolo being 100x or even 25x stronger than base Vegeta makes the least sense of all.</p><p></p><p>-After Super-zenkai</p><p>Goku: 3m Base / 150m SSJ</p><p></p><p>-After Metamori training</p><p>Goku: 7m Base / 350m SSJ</p><p></p><p>-After bionic upgrades</p><p>Frieza: 200m</p><p>King Cold: 160m</p><p></p><p>-Trunks arrives</p><p>Trunks: 5m Base / 250m SSJ</p><p></p><p>-After excessive gravity training</p><p>Vegeta: 3m</p><p></p><p>-After obtaining SSJ</p><p>Vegeta: 4m / 200m SSJ</p><p></p><p>-Enter Android 19 & 20</p><p>Android 19: 100m</p><p>Android 20: 100m</p><p>Stricken Goku: 3m Base / 150m SSJ</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Android 19: 70m</p><p>Goku: 120m</p><p></p><p>-After absorbing Kamehameha</p><p>Android 19: 130m</p><p>Goku: 60m</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Android 19: 120m</p><p>Goku: 10m</p><p></p><p>-Enter Vegeta</p><p>4m / 200m SSJ</p><p></p><p>-After Android 19 defeat</p><p>Vegeta: 50m</p><p>Android 20: 100m</p><p></p><p>-After multiple energy absorbtions</p><p>Android 20: 140m</p><p>Enraged Kaioken x10 Piccolo: 100m</p><p>Vegeta: 180m</p><p></p><p>-After fighting (20 loses an arm)</p><p>Android 20: 60m</p><p></p><p>-Enter Androids 17 & 18 & 16</p><p>Android 18: 400m</p><p>Android 17: 420m</p><p>Android 16: 750m</p><p></p><p>-After fusing with Kami</p><p>Piccolo: 400m</p><p></p><p>-Piccolo encounters Imperfect Cell</p><p>Imperfect Cell: 380m</p><p></p><p>-After losing an arm</p><p>Piccolo: 380m</p><p>Imperfect Cell: 360m</p><p></p><p>-After fighting 17</p><p>Piccolo: 320m</p><p>Android 17: 340m</p><p></p><p>-Enter Cell</p><p>Imperfect Cell: 700m</p><p></p><p>-After fighting Android 16</p><p>Imperfect Cell: 650m</p><p>Android 16: 700m</p><p></p><p>-After absorbing 18</p><p>Semi-Perfect Cell: 1.05b</p><p></p><p> -After HTC Training</p><p>Vegeta: 18m Base / 900m SSJ / 1.8b SV</p><p>Trunks: 17m Base /850m SSJ / 4.5b ASSJ</p><p></p><p>-After prolonged fighting</p><p>Vegeta: 900m SSJ</p><p>Semi-Perfect Cell: 700m</p><p></p><p> -After becoming perfect</p><p>Perfect Cell: 6b</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Vegeta: 300m</p><p>Perfect Cell: 5.3b</p><p></p><p>-After Final Flash & Regenerating</p><p>Vegeta: 10m</p><p>Perfect Cell: 4b</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Trunks: 10m Base / 500m SSJ / 1.5b ASSJ</p><p>Perfect Cell: 4b</p><p></p><p>-After HTC training</p><p>Mr. Satan: 25</p><p>Goku: 60m Base / 3b SSJ</p><p>Gohan: 54m Base / 2.7b SSJ</p><p></p><p>Trunks: 22m Base / 1.1b</p><p>Vegeta: 25m Base / 1.2b</p><p></p><p>-Goku: "I give up"</p><p>Goku: 1b</p><p>Perfect Cell: 5b</p><p></p><p>-Gohan vs Perfect Cell</p><p>Gohan: 2.7b</p><p>Perfect Cell: 6b</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Gohan: 1.5b</p><p>Perfect Cell: 5.5b</p><p>Cell Jr's: 900m each</p><p></p><p>-After SSJ2 Enraged</p><p>Enraged Gohan: 150m / 7.5b SSJ / 30b</p><p></p><p>-After beating on Cell awhile</p><p>Gohan: 30b</p><p>Perfect Cell: 500m</p><p></p><p>-After regurgitating 18</p><p>Semi-Perfect Cell: 100m</p><p></p><p>-After self-destruct & return</p><p>SPC: 20b</p><p></p><p>-After being hit by blast</p><p>Gohan: 20b</p><p></p><p>---Buu Saga---</p><p></p><p>One big thing I'm going to do in this saga is assume that the peak saiyan base is 60 million. Why? Well, it helps Goku's statements about relucting to back into the HTC. Goku knew his mortal body had hit its absolute limit. So while that limit may get raised from time to time for special gains, the general assumption will be that that is the normal limit obtained through training. From this point on, I believe their focus was maintaining that condition, pushing their transformation limits, and perfecting their fighting techniques.</p><p></p><p>This also helps another aspect make PERFECT sense: Vegeta's extreme disappointment in Gohan's power. Because well, Vegeta doesn't really understand that Gohan also got a huge rage-boost in power on top of his SSJ2 transformation. That said, Vegeta still aspires for that 30 billion peak that Gohan achieved. He's not just frustrated that Gohan has gotten weaker and struggling against Dabura, but also the realization that Gohan is no longer a suitable rival to aspire him to push himself further.</p><p></p><p>Also, in order for Vegeta to be impressed by Goku vs Yakon, Goku needs to have surpassed this 60 million limit by training with an overworld body.</p><p></p><p>Then you have Goku complimenting Majin Vegeta during their fight. It makes no sense for Goku to give this compliment the way he did with the wording he used if it was based on power gains, since the power gain Vegeta had would easily be attributed to Bobbidi's spell. No, Goku was complimenting Vegeta's gains in skill, technique, ki control, etc. I think that further supports that post-Cell training was technique & skill focused, rather than power gain focused. </p><p></p><p>Lastly, just like the issue of Piccolo vs Android 20, I have to downplay one particular scene to make sense of the power scaling around Gotenks. That scene is base Gotenks vs Fat Buu. If I put base Gotenks at any comparable level to Buu and give him the x800 SSJ3 multiplier, that puts him in the trillions, which then bloats the other numbers for Mystic Gohan & Super Buu equally. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let this scene suggest that Super Buu is 250x stronger than SSJ3 Goku. I'd rather believe that this scene is far less indicative than meets the eye and assume that Buu was suppressing most of his power.</p><p></p><p>I am also going to handle the "Trunks lands a punch on Vegeta" and "Android 18 has a hard time against Trunks" scenes the same way. After all, Goten was absolutely blown away by SSJ Gohan's power. This means that, at most, Trunks could be half as strong as Gohan and I'm not even going to give him a fraction of that much. I've decided to make the fusion muliplier x10 and work it out from there.</p><p></p><p>-The WMAT</p><p>Videl: 30</p><p>Spopovich: 90</p><p>Kabito: 1m</p><p>Goten: 5m/ 250m</p><p>Trunks: 6m / 300m</p><p>Piccolo: 9m</p><p>Supreme Kai: 20m</p><p>Gohan: 15m Base / 750m SSJ / 3b</p><p>Vegeta: 60m / 3b SSJ / 12B SSJ2</p><p>Goku: 80m / 4b SSJ / 16b SSJ</p><p></p><p>-Babidi's Spaceship</p><p>Pui Pui: 120,000</p><p>Yakon: 1b</p><p>Dabura: 5b</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Dabura: 4b</p><p>Gohan: 2b</p><p></p><p>-After Majin spell</p><p>Majin Vegeta: 80m / 4b SSJ / 16b</p><p></p><p>-Goku vs Majin Vegeta entire fight</p><p>Goku: 65m / 3.2b SSJ / 13b</p><p>Vegeta: 65m / 3.2b SSJ / 13b</p><p></p><p>-Enter Majin Buu</p><p>Fat Buu: 30b</p><p>Goku: 64b SSJ3</p><p>Gotenks: 100m</p><p></p><p>-Enter Evil Buu</p><p>Super Buu: 60b</p><p></p><p>-After HTC</p><p>Gotenks: 100m Base / 5b / 20b / 80b SSJ3</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Super Buu: 60b</p><p>Gotenks: 70b</p><p></p><p>-After Elder Kai Ritual</p><p>Gohan: 150b</p><p></p><p>-After absorbing Gotenks</p><p>Super Buu: 130b</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Super Buu: 100b</p><p>Gohan: 130b</p><p></p><p>-After Gotenks fusion runs out</p><p>Super Buu: 30b</p><p></p><p>-After absorbing Gohan</p><p>Super Buu: 160b</p><p></p><p>-Goku & Vegeta Potara fuse</p><p>Vegito: 6b Base / 300b SSJ</p><p></p><p>-Buu is gutted</p><p>Kid Buu: 60b</p><p>Vegeta: 12B SSJ2</p><p>Goku: 64b SSJ3</p><p>Fat Buu: 20b</p><p></p><p>-After extensive fighting</p><p>Vegeta: <50</p><p>Fat Buu: <50m</p><p>Kid Buu: 50b</p><p>Goku: 20m</p><p>Spirit Bomb: 200b</p><p></p><p>All relevant characters by the end of the Buu Saga (Not 'End of Z')</p><p></p><p>Yamcha: 100,000</p><p>Tien: 110,000</p><p>Krillin: 120,000</p><p>Goten: 5m / 50m</p><p>Trunks: 6m / 60m</p><p>Android 18: 400m</p><p>Android 17: 600m</p><p>Piccolo: 600m</p><p>Vegeta: 60m / 12b SSJ2</p><p>Goku: 80m / 64b SSJ3</p><p>Gohan: 150b</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blockinlick, post: 53663, member: 234"] This list is meant to be very conservative. A goal of mine here is keep these numbers as low as possible. It has helped me in debates about power levels (Particularly Krillin being a planet buster) to point to, not only the inflated power lists, but my most conservative one as well. In other words, you could see this list as a "Bare minimum power level" list. One thing I factored in here that a lot of lists don't is that power levels should drop as fighters become damaged, use ki, and fight for an extended period of time. Most notably, this made the numbers for Frieza and SSJ Goku MUCH lower than other lists put them, setting a precedent for the numbers in the following arcs to be much more grounded. Because of that, howevet, some of my numbers start higher than usual and END lower than usual. For instance, I start Raditz at 1500 when most lists put him at 1,200, but this makes sense when you consider the damage, energy used, and stamina drain he takes throughout his fights. I wanted to go into Super, but I ran into difficulty gauging power with its scaling inconsistencies. Anyways, here it is: * denotes an actual scouter reading. ---Saiyan Saga--- -Raditz Arc Farmer with a Shotgun: 5* Roshi: 139* Yamcha: 177* Krillin: 206* Tien: 250* Piccolo: 408* Goku: 416* Gohan: 710* Raditz: 1,500 -King Yemma's Fruit Goku: 800 -Bubbles Training Goku: 2,000 -Gregory Training Goku: 3,500 -King Kai Training Goku: 5,000 -Planet Vegeta 100 Years Ago Scarface: 8,000 Shorty: 3,000 -Saiyan Arc Saibamen: 1,100 each Chiaotzu: 700 Gohan: 981* Yamcha: 1,000 Tien: 1,000 Krillin: 1,083* Piccolo: 1,220* Nappa: 6,000 -After extensive fighting: Nappa: 5,500 -After Chiaotzu Explosion Nappa: 5,000 -After more extensive fighting Nappa: 4,500 Goku: 5,000+* -After Kaioken x4 Goku: 21,000+* Vegeta: 18,000 -After extensive fighting Goku: 2,500 / 10,000 Vegeta: 12,000 -After Beam Struggle Goku: 700 Vegeta: 4,000 -After Oozaru Oozaru Vegeta: 40,000 -After being crushed by Vegeta Goku: <50 -The Spirit Bomb Spirit Bomb: 12,000 -After losing Spirit Bomb Spirit Bomb: 3,500 -After Krillin lands Spirit Bomb. Vegeta: 500 After Gohan Transforms Oozaru Gohan: 9,000 After Gohan lands on Vegeta Vegeta: <50 ---Namek Saga--- Gohan: 1,500* Krillin: 1,500* Warrior Namekians: 3,000* each Cui: 18,000 Dodoria: 21,000 Zarbon: 22,000 Vegeta: 24,000* Beast Zarbon: 30,000 Frieza (Suppressed): 200,000 -Post-Zarbon zenkai Vegeta: 40,000 Nail: 42,000 -After Guru awakening Gohan: 10,000 Krillin: 8,000 Guldo: 12,000 Jeice: 40,000 Burter: 40,000 Recoome: 50,000 Captain Ginyu: 120,000 -After extensive fighting Krillin: 500 Gohan: 2,500 Vegeta: 10,000 Recoome: 35,000 -After Gohan rage-boost Recoome: 25,000 -After Goku arrives Goku: 90,000 After Kaioken powerup: 180,000 -After Senzu Bean zenkai's Gohan: 15,000 Vegeta: 50,000 -After Ginyu Body Changing concludes Goku: 200 Vegeta: 40,000 -After King Kai training Chiaotzu: 25,000 Yamcha: 30,000 Tien: 30,000 Piccolo: 40,000 -After resting super-zenkai Vegeta: 190,000 After extensive fighting Vegeta: 100,000 Frieza: 110,000 (Of 200,000 - 90,000) -After fusing with Nail Piccolo: 400,000 -After powering up Frieza: 440,000 (Of 530,000 - 90,000) -After extensive fighting Frieza: 300,000 (Of 530,000 - 230,000) Piccolo: 270,000 -After transforming Frieza: 800,000 (Of 1,030,000 - 230,000) -After extensive fighting Krillin: <50 Vegeta: 20,000 Piccolo, 100,000 Frieza: 600,000 (Of 1,030,000 - 430,000) -During/after rageboost Gohan: 700,000 Frieza: 400,000 (Of 1,030,000 - 630,000) -After Dende healing & super-zenkai Gohan: 70,000 Krillin: 8,000 Piccolo: 400,000 -After super-zenkai (Dende healing) Vegeta: 700,000 -After transforming Frieza: 900,000 (Of 1,530,000 - 630,000) -After extensive fighting Piccolo: 300,000 Vegeta: 500,000 Frieza: 700,000 (Of 1,330,000 - 830,000) -During/after rageboost Gohan: 800,000 Frieza: 600,000 (Of 1,330,000 - 930,000) -After transforming Frieza: 2,070,000 (1%) (Of 3.3m - 930,000) (329.07m at 100%) -After super-zenkai Goku: 600,000 / 2.4m -After extensive fighting Dende: 0 Vegeta: 5 Krillin: 8,000 Gohan: 75,000 Piccolo: 300,000 Frieza: 2,000,000 (Of 3.3m - 1m) (329m at 100%) -Goku arrives Goku: 600,000 / 2.4m -After extensive fighting Goku: 500,000 / 2m Frieza: 1.6m (1%) (Of 3.3m - 1.4m) (328.6 at 100%) -After Frieza powers up to 50% Frieza: 164.3m (Of 330m - 1.4m) -After extensive fighting Goku: 250,000 / 1m Frieza: 164.0m (Of 330m - 1.7m) Spirit Bomb: 350m -After Spirit Bomb & Frieza attacks Goku: 130,000 / 520,000 Frieza: 120,000 (-322,300,000 from Spirit Bomb) -After SSJ transformation Goku: 6.5m (130,000 x 50) -After Frieza powers up to 100% Frieza: 6m -After extensive fighting Goku: 2m Frieza: 1.4m "You're not even a challenge to me anymore" -Current maximums Goku: 600,000 / 30m SSJ Frieza: 330m ---Android Saga--- At this point, I have to explain why my numbers are going to seem quite low. See, my numbers for this saga started out a bit higher, but I ran into a dilemma that made me realize that they needed to come down... a lot. That is that I refuse to believe that Piccolo made such extreme gains enough to do so well against Android 20. That said, the power of Androids 19 & 20 needed minimized to the furthest degree that could make sense. I did by making some pretty serious assumptions about judgements made by Piccolo & Vegeta. More specifically, I need to assume that Piccolo and Vegeta don't have a very accurate recollection of Goku's power level when he returned vs when he fought Android 19. Basically, Goku's power level must have been WAY down from the virus and Piccolo didn't realize it. I also decided that I shouldn't take the Frieza Force scientists claim that Frieza was going to be stronger than before. In fact, I like to believe that he was quite a bit weaker. I know that contradicting direct statements from characters is a bit blasphemous, I think it's more silly to work around Piccolo gaining to 400 million from 400,000 in just under two years. This method takes that down to 100 million, but I have one more assumption to make that make sense. That is that he did learn Kaioken, but probably wasn't very good at it, so he didn't plan on ever using it until Android 20 made him want to risk it all. So that mixed with a rage boost got him to the 100 million. That may be venturing into head-canon, but I'm merely trying to make it make sense and Piccolo being 100x or even 25x stronger than base Vegeta makes the least sense of all. -After Super-zenkai Goku: 3m Base / 150m SSJ -After Metamori training Goku: 7m Base / 350m SSJ -After bionic upgrades Frieza: 200m King Cold: 160m -Trunks arrives Trunks: 5m Base / 250m SSJ -After excessive gravity training Vegeta: 3m -After obtaining SSJ Vegeta: 4m / 200m SSJ -Enter Android 19 & 20 Android 19: 100m Android 20: 100m Stricken Goku: 3m Base / 150m SSJ -After extensive fighting Android 19: 70m Goku: 120m -After absorbing Kamehameha Android 19: 130m Goku: 60m -After extensive fighting Android 19: 120m Goku: 10m -Enter Vegeta 4m / 200m SSJ -After Android 19 defeat Vegeta: 50m Android 20: 100m -After multiple energy absorbtions Android 20: 140m Enraged Kaioken x10 Piccolo: 100m Vegeta: 180m -After fighting (20 loses an arm) Android 20: 60m -Enter Androids 17 & 18 & 16 Android 18: 400m Android 17: 420m Android 16: 750m -After fusing with Kami Piccolo: 400m -Piccolo encounters Imperfect Cell Imperfect Cell: 380m -After losing an arm Piccolo: 380m Imperfect Cell: 360m -After fighting 17 Piccolo: 320m Android 17: 340m -Enter Cell Imperfect Cell: 700m -After fighting Android 16 Imperfect Cell: 650m Android 16: 700m -After absorbing 18 Semi-Perfect Cell: 1.05b -After HTC Training Vegeta: 18m Base / 900m SSJ / 1.8b SV Trunks: 17m Base /850m SSJ / 4.5b ASSJ -After prolonged fighting Vegeta: 900m SSJ Semi-Perfect Cell: 700m -After becoming perfect Perfect Cell: 6b -After extensive fighting Vegeta: 300m Perfect Cell: 5.3b -After Final Flash & Regenerating Vegeta: 10m Perfect Cell: 4b -After extensive fighting Trunks: 10m Base / 500m SSJ / 1.5b ASSJ Perfect Cell: 4b -After HTC training Mr. Satan: 25 Goku: 60m Base / 3b SSJ Gohan: 54m Base / 2.7b SSJ Trunks: 22m Base / 1.1b Vegeta: 25m Base / 1.2b -Goku: "I give up" Goku: 1b Perfect Cell: 5b -Gohan vs Perfect Cell Gohan: 2.7b Perfect Cell: 6b -After extensive fighting Gohan: 1.5b Perfect Cell: 5.5b Cell Jr's: 900m each -After SSJ2 Enraged Enraged Gohan: 150m / 7.5b SSJ / 30b -After beating on Cell awhile Gohan: 30b Perfect Cell: 500m -After regurgitating 18 Semi-Perfect Cell: 100m -After self-destruct & return SPC: 20b -After being hit by blast Gohan: 20b ---Buu Saga--- One big thing I'm going to do in this saga is assume that the peak saiyan base is 60 million. Why? Well, it helps Goku's statements about relucting to back into the HTC. Goku knew his mortal body had hit its absolute limit. So while that limit may get raised from time to time for special gains, the general assumption will be that that is the normal limit obtained through training. From this point on, I believe their focus was maintaining that condition, pushing their transformation limits, and perfecting their fighting techniques. This also helps another aspect make PERFECT sense: Vegeta's extreme disappointment in Gohan's power. Because well, Vegeta doesn't really understand that Gohan also got a huge rage-boost in power on top of his SSJ2 transformation. That said, Vegeta still aspires for that 30 billion peak that Gohan achieved. He's not just frustrated that Gohan has gotten weaker and struggling against Dabura, but also the realization that Gohan is no longer a suitable rival to aspire him to push himself further. Also, in order for Vegeta to be impressed by Goku vs Yakon, Goku needs to have surpassed this 60 million limit by training with an overworld body. Then you have Goku complimenting Majin Vegeta during their fight. It makes no sense for Goku to give this compliment the way he did with the wording he used if it was based on power gains, since the power gain Vegeta had would easily be attributed to Bobbidi's spell. No, Goku was complimenting Vegeta's gains in skill, technique, ki control, etc. I think that further supports that post-Cell training was technique & skill focused, rather than power gain focused. Lastly, just like the issue of Piccolo vs Android 20, I have to downplay one particular scene to make sense of the power scaling around Gotenks. That scene is base Gotenks vs Fat Buu. If I put base Gotenks at any comparable level to Buu and give him the x800 SSJ3 multiplier, that puts him in the trillions, which then bloats the other numbers for Mystic Gohan & Super Buu equally. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let this scene suggest that Super Buu is 250x stronger than SSJ3 Goku. I'd rather believe that this scene is far less indicative than meets the eye and assume that Buu was suppressing most of his power. I am also going to handle the "Trunks lands a punch on Vegeta" and "Android 18 has a hard time against Trunks" scenes the same way. After all, Goten was absolutely blown away by SSJ Gohan's power. This means that, at most, Trunks could be half as strong as Gohan and I'm not even going to give him a fraction of that much. I've decided to make the fusion muliplier x10 and work it out from there. -The WMAT Videl: 30 Spopovich: 90 Kabito: 1m Goten: 5m/ 250m Trunks: 6m / 300m Piccolo: 9m Supreme Kai: 20m Gohan: 15m Base / 750m SSJ / 3b Vegeta: 60m / 3b SSJ / 12B SSJ2 Goku: 80m / 4b SSJ / 16b SSJ -Babidi's Spaceship Pui Pui: 120,000 Yakon: 1b Dabura: 5b -After extensive fighting Dabura: 4b Gohan: 2b -After Majin spell Majin Vegeta: 80m / 4b SSJ / 16b -Goku vs Majin Vegeta entire fight Goku: 65m / 3.2b SSJ / 13b Vegeta: 65m / 3.2b SSJ / 13b -Enter Majin Buu Fat Buu: 30b Goku: 64b SSJ3 Gotenks: 100m -Enter Evil Buu Super Buu: 60b -After HTC Gotenks: 100m Base / 5b / 20b / 80b SSJ3 -After extensive fighting Super Buu: 60b Gotenks: 70b -After Elder Kai Ritual Gohan: 150b -After absorbing Gotenks Super Buu: 130b -After extensive fighting Super Buu: 100b Gohan: 130b -After Gotenks fusion runs out Super Buu: 30b -After absorbing Gohan Super Buu: 160b -Goku & Vegeta Potara fuse Vegito: 6b Base / 300b SSJ -Buu is gutted Kid Buu: 60b Vegeta: 12B SSJ2 Goku: 64b SSJ3 Fat Buu: 20b -After extensive fighting Vegeta: <50 Fat Buu: <50m Kid Buu: 50b Goku: 20m Spirit Bomb: 200b All relevant characters by the end of the Buu Saga (Not 'End of Z') Yamcha: 100,000 Tien: 110,000 Krillin: 120,000 Goten: 5m / 50m Trunks: 6m / 60m Android 18: 400m Android 17: 600m Piccolo: 600m Vegeta: 60m / 12b SSJ2 Goku: 80m / 64b SSJ3 Gohan: 150b [/QUOTE]
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