Super Saiyan Four Redone

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Here's a fun little thought for that community. If you were to rework Super Saiyan 4 in Dragon Ball Super, how would it work?

What are the requirements for the transformation?

What are the multipliers? (if you cared about calculations and Battle Power)

What unique techniques and abilities does it have?

What are the drawbacks (If there is any)
 
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I have said this in prior threads, I would change the name. I think at this point it would have to be separate so it can be a "stronger" form.

With that, I would call it Super Saiyan Primal.

The way they did it in GT where you had to harness the "great ape" and control the rage didn't quite make sense since Vegeta was clearly in control of himself when he first fought Goku. That would have to be changed. Not sure how I would change it though. I would have to think it through.
 

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The way they did it in GT where you had to harness the "great ape" and control the rage didn't quite make sense since Vegeta was clearly in control of himself when he first fought Goku. That would have to be changed. Not sure how I would change it though. I would have to think it through.
I always assumed it was meant to be after they'd reached Super Saiyan (or higher levels). And I'm all for that, as long as it's a little more organic than Bulma like "Here use this thing".

I honestly prefer Super Saiyan 4 over everything that's come out of Super.
 
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I have said this in prior threads, I would change the name. I think at this point it would have to be separate so it can be a "stronger" form.

With that, I would call it Super Saiyan Primal.

The way they did it in GT where you had to harness the "great ape" and control the rage didn't quite make sense since Vegeta was clearly in control of himself when he first fought Goku. That would have to be changed. Not sure how I would change it though. I would have to think it through.
*Sees the name*
...You know what, we're going to be very good friends, Lord Beerus. You and I can see eye to eye. I'd also call it the Ultimate Saiyan, Primal Reversion.
 

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I always assumed it was meant to be after they'd reached Super Saiyan (or higher levels). And I'm all for that, as long as it's a little more organic than Bulma like "Here use this thing".

I honestly prefer Super Saiyan 4 over everything that's come

I have said this in prior threads, I would change the name. I think at this point it would have to be separate so it can be a "stronger" form.

With that, I would call it Super Saiyan Primal.

The way they did it in GT where you had to harness the "great ape" and control the rage didn't quite make sense since Vegeta was clearly in control of himself when he first fought Goku. That would have to be changed. Not sure how I would change it though. I would have to think it through.
I'd personally say that the transformation before Vegeta's method made sense. But the Blutzwave Machine did not given it grew Vegeta's tail back. But remember, this is Super. Let me mess with your theology real quick. As an idea, what if Blutzwaves has a connect with the Saiyan Cell's (S-Cells) that trigger such a thing to happen?
 
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*Sees the name*
...You know what, we're going to be very good friends, Lord Beerus. You and I can see eye to eye. I'd also call it the Ultimate Saiyan, Primal Reversion.
It just makes says to play off the primal role they all have inside them. I think doing away with the numbers is smart at this point which they appear to have done.
I always assumed it was meant to be after they'd reached Super Saiyan (or higher levels). And I'm all for that, as long as it's a little more organic than Bulma like "Here use this thing".
Yeah, Bulma shouldn't be involved. It should be a purely Saiyan transformation. It also makes sense for it to be the next step as the "god forms" have been reached, have to go back to their roots.
honestly prefer Super Saiyan 4 over everything that's come out of Super.
Me Too Samesies GIF
 

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I would make Super Saiyan 4 have golden hair and golden fur.
I see why given its merging Oozau with SSJ. In my opinion, I like the original colors because it makes the form different and strikes SSJ4 as another kind of breed of Super Saiyan. It's literally built different.

How strong would SSJ4 be? What makes it different in terms of function/fighting mechanics compared to SSJ3 having more power in terms of ki and SSJG's unique God abilities?
 
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If they were going to bring Super Saiyan 4 into the equation, I'd have them reach Ultra Instinct (and Vegeta's form...whatever we're calling that) and then get pushed beyond, going berserk, but not Broly/Kale berserk, a primal rage that taps into their great ape lineage, but not requiring great ape. Just the savagery. They tap into that and learn to control it and that's SSJ4/primal/whatever we call it. Terrible explanation, but hopefully it made sense. If 4 is coming into play in Super, then that's pretty much the only way I can see to do it.
 
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