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<blockquote data-quote="Turtle" data-source="post: 32675" data-attributes="member: 1394"><p>Wasn't Roshi already obviously outclassed already in Dragonball by the 2nd or 3rd martial arts tournament? I am going off of memory from the anime, so I am not sure how it went in the manga. King Piccolo was also too big a threat for direct combat from both Roshi and Mutaito, leading to the need for the containment wave. And King Piccolo was weaker than Goku in beginning of Z and was defeated by kid Goku after restoring his prime strength.</p><p></p><p>I haven't seen much of Super, I realize it's technically canon, but I think it's throwing what DBZ built out the window for fan service/money. I mean, didn't they make SS1 Trunks and his sword more powerful than the God Ki'd Goku/Vegeta, and have him learn the containment wave from a cell phone. So I feel they have been seen as separate things altogether, and imo Roshi should stay retired from fighting by this point.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That would be good for many of the rest of the characters too; it's why people liked the first few sagas of Z a lot when everyone was useful.</p><p></p><p>But since Tien and the rest have stopped training (presumably Tien is around the same strength as he was in Cell saga) and the disparity of power from the new threats is so large, I don't see how they could manage that without it being off-putting. The alternative, like you said, is fodder, which isn't ideal. This is the double-edged sword of dragonball's vertical scaling that other character have to fall behind unlike a lot of other series.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Turtle, post: 32675, member: 1394"] Wasn't Roshi already obviously outclassed already in Dragonball by the 2nd or 3rd martial arts tournament? I am going off of memory from the anime, so I am not sure how it went in the manga. King Piccolo was also too big a threat for direct combat from both Roshi and Mutaito, leading to the need for the containment wave. And King Piccolo was weaker than Goku in beginning of Z and was defeated by kid Goku after restoring his prime strength. I haven't seen much of Super, I realize it's technically canon, but I think it's throwing what DBZ built out the window for fan service/money. I mean, didn't they make SS1 Trunks and his sword more powerful than the God Ki'd Goku/Vegeta, and have him learn the containment wave from a cell phone. So I feel they have been seen as separate things altogether, and imo Roshi should stay retired from fighting by this point. That would be good for many of the rest of the characters too; it's why people liked the first few sagas of Z a lot when everyone was useful. But since Tien and the rest have stopped training (presumably Tien is around the same strength as he was in Cell saga) and the disparity of power from the new threats is so large, I don't see how they could manage that without it being off-putting. The alternative, like you said, is fodder, which isn't ideal. This is the double-edged sword of dragonball's vertical scaling that other character have to fall behind unlike a lot of other series. [/QUOTE]
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