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<blockquote data-quote="Mustafar Reginald" data-source="post: 32680" data-attributes="member: 113"><p>Yeah, they did surpass Roshi by the 3rd World Tournament in the manga. He forfeits the match against Tien and the second and admits that Tien would've won if they continued. And he doesn't enter the third one explicitly because he can't keep up with them anymore. He could've been lying I suppose, but I don't really see reason for him to in those situations, so I agree with you that he was outclassed by Dragon Ball.</p><p></p><p>So with Super, there are two different versions of canon. There's the anime canon and the manga canon. The former is the more prolific one, at least it's the ones the games have tended to take from if nothing else. However, if one has to be true canon, I'd go with the manga because it has more direct input from Toriyama whereas the anime has a bunch of different stuff added in by Toei.</p><p></p><p>All that stuff you mentioned during the Goku Black stuff, that's basically anime exclusive. And I agree it's dumb. I guess I don't to spoil stuff for people who haven't read the manga and might want to and see the differences for themselves.</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER="How Those are Done in the Manga"]So the Trunks Sword Slice on Zamasu still happens but rather than directly fighting like in the anime, it's done as a surprise attack from behind when his guard is down. As for the evil containment wave, Trunks never attempts that, it's Goku who does. And that only failed because Goku grabbed the wrong seal. Which is kind of dumb but you can't resolve the plot that easily, and it doesn't take anything away from the technique, just makes Goku seem a little too careless.[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>The manga is generally a lot more better with making things more logically consistent when it comes to powers and stuff. If you go to check out Super, I'd recommend just reading the manga instead. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Tien has never stopped training, I'm not sure where you get that idea from. His main character trait is that he's the devoted martial artist, it wouldn't make sense for him to just stop. You don't have to take my word for it though, <a href="https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/mando-kobayashi-akira-toriyama-qa/" target="_blank">Toriyama himself has said that Tien kept up with his training even after the events of the series</a>, in addition to farming now it seems.</p><p></p><p>And it's worth noting, Tien does get his moment in the Buu Saga. He was shown having survived Buu's Human Extinction attack, and he gets a dramatic rescue of Hercules & Dende. It doesn't really amount to much and is basically a footnote in the arc but it's still a nice moment to at least involve in him in the plot. I appreciated it (admittedly in part because I had forgot it happened when I went to read the manga lol), and that's basically all I needed. Just throw him a bone every now and again, it doesn't have to have much meat on it.</p><p></p><p>Tien despite his training, was long outclassed by the threats of Dragon Ball (by King Piccolo he was basically worthless against any of the major antagonists in a battle), yet despite that throughout all of Z Toriyama found was to make him even momentarily useful for brief glimpses. That's the reason why I think Tien is a more appealing character than Yamcha or Krillin to get this treatment, at least for me. Yamcha didn't do anything but get his ass kicked in Dragon Ball after literally his first fight lol, and Tien even does more in the Buu saga than Krillin (disregarding anime filler at least). Actually, while Krillin gets a stronger arc in the Cell saga, in terms of actually fighting, Tien does more in that arc too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mustafar Reginald, post: 32680, member: 113"] Yeah, they did surpass Roshi by the 3rd World Tournament in the manga. He forfeits the match against Tien and the second and admits that Tien would've won if they continued. And he doesn't enter the third one explicitly because he can't keep up with them anymore. He could've been lying I suppose, but I don't really see reason for him to in those situations, so I agree with you that he was outclassed by Dragon Ball. So with Super, there are two different versions of canon. There's the anime canon and the manga canon. The former is the more prolific one, at least it's the ones the games have tended to take from if nothing else. However, if one has to be true canon, I'd go with the manga because it has more direct input from Toriyama whereas the anime has a bunch of different stuff added in by Toei. All that stuff you mentioned during the Goku Black stuff, that's basically anime exclusive. And I agree it's dumb. I guess I don't to spoil stuff for people who haven't read the manga and might want to and see the differences for themselves. [SPOILER="How Those are Done in the Manga"]So the Trunks Sword Slice on Zamasu still happens but rather than directly fighting like in the anime, it's done as a surprise attack from behind when his guard is down. As for the evil containment wave, Trunks never attempts that, it's Goku who does. And that only failed because Goku grabbed the wrong seal. Which is kind of dumb but you can't resolve the plot that easily, and it doesn't take anything away from the technique, just makes Goku seem a little too careless.[/SPOILER] The manga is generally a lot more better with making things more logically consistent when it comes to powers and stuff. If you go to check out Super, I'd recommend just reading the manga instead. Tien has never stopped training, I'm not sure where you get that idea from. His main character trait is that he's the devoted martial artist, it wouldn't make sense for him to just stop. You don't have to take my word for it though, [url=https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/mando-kobayashi-akira-toriyama-qa/]Toriyama himself has said that Tien kept up with his training even after the events of the series[/url], in addition to farming now it seems. And it's worth noting, Tien does get his moment in the Buu Saga. He was shown having survived Buu's Human Extinction attack, and he gets a dramatic rescue of Hercules & Dende. It doesn't really amount to much and is basically a footnote in the arc but it's still a nice moment to at least involve in him in the plot. I appreciated it (admittedly in part because I had forgot it happened when I went to read the manga lol), and that's basically all I needed. Just throw him a bone every now and again, it doesn't have to have much meat on it. Tien despite his training, was long outclassed by the threats of Dragon Ball (by King Piccolo he was basically worthless against any of the major antagonists in a battle), yet despite that throughout all of Z Toriyama found was to make him even momentarily useful for brief glimpses. That's the reason why I think Tien is a more appealing character than Yamcha or Krillin to get this treatment, at least for me. Yamcha didn't do anything but get his ass kicked in Dragon Ball after literally his first fight lol, and Tien even does more in the Buu saga than Krillin (disregarding anime filler at least). Actually, while Krillin gets a stronger arc in the Cell saga, in terms of actually fighting, Tien does more in that arc too. [/QUOTE]
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