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<blockquote data-quote="Blockinlick" data-source="post: 5270" data-attributes="member: 234"><p>Just wasted 8 hours of my life on Civilization IV.</p><p></p><p>I grew up as a teen playing this game when it was the Minecraft of its time. I tried Civ5 and didn't like and I tried Civ6 and didn't like it. Civ4 has stood the test of time for me though.</p><p></p><p>I absolutely love the premises of the game, the way it operates, the deep strategy and map utilization & whatnot. However, I have a love/hate relationship with it because the diplomacy is nonsensical and game-breaking. It becomes a factor of luck and randomless instead of strategy or skill, because no matter how hard you try to please everyone, there's that random chance that a few will just dogpile on you for petty reasons.</p><p></p><p>This last game (Noble difficulty), I was trying to play peacekeeper. I was handing out gold and techs hand-over-fist trying to keep everyone happy. I do understand that in trying to keep everyone happy, it will make things worse with some. Like Genghis Kahn, you cannot avoid conflict with this guy if he borders you. Nonetheless, I felt like I was doing a damn good job overall keeping everyone happy. Then out of nowhere, Isabella, Montezuma, Napoleon, & Genghis Khan declare WAR on me.</p><p></p><p>-I held them off for awhile and thanks to my diplomacy, managed to get a few allies to declare war on both Napoleon and Genghis.</p><p>-Then I managed to make peace with Genghis.</p><p>-Somehow, Napoleon slipped a large army through that I didn't see and sacked one of my 3 cities.</p><p>-Then Genghis and Isabella declared war again.</p><p>-I made peace with Napoleon and Isabella and Genghis was just wrecking my tiles.</p><p>-Then Napoleon declared war again and Alexander joined in too.</p><p>-Alexander started wrecking my tiles too and Isabella declared war... again.</p><p>-Then I made with peace with Alexander, Isabella, and Napoleon again.</p><p>-By this point, I was shattered. All of my offensive units were wiped out. All I had left were the units defending my cities.</p><p>-So Genghis Kahn just came in and wiped me out.</p><p></p><p>It just seemed so random and nonsensical. I was leading in tech, gold, and overall score and my army was fairly strong. But there's not much you can do when 5 civs decide to be assholes for no reason at all. It really sucks to put 8 hours into a game like that, be doing well, then get wiped out by something completely out of your control.</p><p></p><p>I pretty much lost by virtue of bordering Genghis Kahn and Napoleon. That said, there was zero I could do to avoid my fate, so it just feels like 8 hours of my life wasted.</p><p></p><p>I love this game, but I hate it too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blockinlick, post: 5270, member: 234"] Just wasted 8 hours of my life on Civilization IV. I grew up as a teen playing this game when it was the Minecraft of its time. I tried Civ5 and didn't like and I tried Civ6 and didn't like it. Civ4 has stood the test of time for me though. I absolutely love the premises of the game, the way it operates, the deep strategy and map utilization & whatnot. However, I have a love/hate relationship with it because the diplomacy is nonsensical and game-breaking. It becomes a factor of luck and randomless instead of strategy or skill, because no matter how hard you try to please everyone, there's that random chance that a few will just dogpile on you for petty reasons. This last game (Noble difficulty), I was trying to play peacekeeper. I was handing out gold and techs hand-over-fist trying to keep everyone happy. I do understand that in trying to keep everyone happy, it will make things worse with some. Like Genghis Kahn, you cannot avoid conflict with this guy if he borders you. Nonetheless, I felt like I was doing a damn good job overall keeping everyone happy. Then out of nowhere, Isabella, Montezuma, Napoleon, & Genghis Khan declare WAR on me. -I held them off for awhile and thanks to my diplomacy, managed to get a few allies to declare war on both Napoleon and Genghis. -Then I managed to make peace with Genghis. -Somehow, Napoleon slipped a large army through that I didn't see and sacked one of my 3 cities. -Then Genghis and Isabella declared war again. -I made peace with Napoleon and Isabella and Genghis was just wrecking my tiles. -Then Napoleon declared war again and Alexander joined in too. -Alexander started wrecking my tiles too and Isabella declared war... again. -Then I made with peace with Alexander, Isabella, and Napoleon again. -By this point, I was shattered. All of my offensive units were wiped out. All I had left were the units defending my cities. -So Genghis Kahn just came in and wiped me out. It just seemed so random and nonsensical. I was leading in tech, gold, and overall score and my army was fairly strong. But there's not much you can do when 5 civs decide to be assholes for no reason at all. It really sucks to put 8 hours into a game like that, be doing well, then get wiped out by something completely out of your control. I pretty much lost by virtue of bordering Genghis Kahn and Napoleon. That said, there was zero I could do to avoid my fate, so it just feels like 8 hours of my life wasted. I love this game, but I hate it too. [/QUOTE]
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