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I just am going to laugh. Because you really are brainwashed. After I posted the video, you still are in this mindset. This is why I gave up arguing with you.
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So your video is the end all be all proof? If it didn't convince anyone that Trump is the best option then they're blind?

Actually, I'd say you're more brainwashed than me by the way you frame your answers. You're more emotionally invested, thus you need to be generally defensive and thus you're less open to actually debating. I'm not gonna bother replying to your posts one by one because I know it's not worth the effort. There's those who I think they're worth to talk to, and there's those who it's just a waste of time to try getting into a nice debate. So yeah, last time I ever address you since from my PoV you fit in the last category.



About the other guy who said they aren't going to take their rights...

@Toa Inika Matoro

A president can’t outright strip away personal freedoms, ok, but their policies can shape how accessible those rights are, especially for marginalized groups. For example, policy shifts affecting healthcare or anti-discrimination protections could make it harder for LGBT people or women to access certain resources or services. It’s not as simple as “they’ll keep their rights”—the question is how those rights will function day-to-day.

And I don't argue the democrats did a good government, Biden sucked and they pandered to the left through some actions but the government there is far from a left one, it's a blend of social democracy with libertarian views, it's what I'd call a centrist party. I think you ppl see them as left or even far left. I don't. I see them as centrist... Or whatever, since those labels are pretty hard to trace many times...

But those are not liberal tears, I think you got me confused with those who react abrasively to post election results --- some in my opinion with fair reasons and some who don't. I'm just giving my views on how I see things from where I stand, since this is a thread for politics, right? We're talking about politics here, am I right? Or just trying to make "funny" comments with no substance?
 
We live in a democracy where everyone can believe and live the way they want regardless of who is in power.
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Yeah, including spreading misinformation like LibsOfTikTok that led to death threats and even bombing in hospitals. Or comments on X that inflates ppl's madness to do certain things towards certain groups. Total freedom doesn't mean enjoyable freedom for everyone.
 
ahill1 said:
So your video is the end all be all proof? If it didn't convince anyone that Trump is the best option then they're blind?

Actually, I'd say you're more brainwashed than me by the way you frame your answers. You're more emotionally invested, thus you need to be generally defensive and thus you're less open to actually debating. I'm not gonna bother replying to your posts one by one because I know it's not worth the effort. There's those who I think they're worth to talk to, and there's those who it's just a waste of time to try getting into a nice debate. So yeah, last time I ever address you since from my PoV you fit in the last category.



About the other guy who said they aren't going to take their rights...

@Toa Inika Matoro

A president can’t outright strip away personal freedoms, ok, but their policies can shape how accessible those rights are, especially for marginalized groups. For example, policy shifts affecting healthcare or anti-discrimination protections could make it harder for LGBT people or women to access certain resources or services. It’s not as simple as “they’ll keep their rights”—the question is how those rights will function day-to-day.

And I don't argue the democrats did a good government, Biden sucked and they pandered to the left through some actions but the government there is far from a left one, it's a blend of social democracy with libertarian views, it's what I'd call a centrist party. I think you ppl see them as left or even far left. I don't. I see them as centrist... Or whatever, since those labels are pretty hard to trace many times...

But those are not liberal tears, I think you got me confused with those who react abrasively to post election results --- some in my opinion with fair reasons and some who don't. I'm just giving my views on how I see things from where I stand, since this is a thread for politics, right? We're talking about politics here, am I right? Or just trying to make "funny" comments with no substance?
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I give up. There is no way. There is absolutely no way you will ever come out of that liberal mind. I am just about done. I thought you were stupid before, I just gotta put you in the retard category. You don't even recognize, realize, or understand your predicament.

You said you are left-leaning. You said that. I read your posts, and I know what you are. With the way you are.. you are known to the world as far-left. Not the moderate-left.

The far-left... they see it this way: People like Yoshi, people like Giga (which is a mod now) - they see THEM as right wing. Even though they're left-leaning. Yeah. The far-left is all they way to the wall of the left. They're saying: Y'all the same. That vitriol is violence. They hate everyone that is NOT them. That's their world-view.

Again; they outcasted RFK Jr., Tulsi Gabbard, and a few more. In California, a Democrat couldn't run for Governor because you need to toe the party-line. If you don't, you get banned.

I wouldn't be surprised if that shit is in Brazil.

But hey, stay in there, buddy... but I'm done arguing with someone that doesn't care to improve. I'm not gonna waste my time.

I like helping people, but I'm not helping people who don't want to improve.

What gets me is; he says Joe Biden sucked, but doesn't realize that the very Democrats we had was a stirred pot of leftist. We saw more of the far-left than any other part of the left.

"Social Democracy" is not the centrist party that he thinks it is. And in NO world is it a libertarian blend, either. Social Democracy is Socialism as a new word. They want communism. Plain and simple. They want new members into this communist "Democracy." And when they say "our democracy," they actually mean THEIR rules, their people, their policies, their party, their world, their world-view. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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Don't even reply to that @Toa Inika Matoro. I think he's trying to goad more arguments.

I'm done. I tried being nice, I tried the "bad cop, good cop" routine, I tried being "mean." Nothing is working. So if he wants to be how he is... let him.

The only way he makes friends is with his fellow far-left compatriots.

I'm gonna go to sleep. I'm just gonna say sorry to @Beerus in advance. (Sorry.)
 
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I mean, "freedom of speech". There's a cool song from Metallica, that isn't directed to this stuff at all, I mean, not in a criticism towards any party, it's just a general criticism without aligning with anyone or any political movement, but that I use sometimes --- "independence limited, freedom of choice is made for you my friend, freedom of speech is words that they will bend, freedom, with their exception!" ...

... From my PoV (and that goes both to the right and the left) there will be always a timeless skepticism about freedom’s authenticity... That is, if people are genuinely free to express themselves or if "freedom of speech" is an ideal that’s easier to promote than fully implement without biases or limits.
 
Giga Hertz said:
I'm left leaning now? :shock:
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Well, there was two people i recalled. I'm sorry if I mis-recalled. My point isn't the person, my point is some members here would be considered that. But are not the far-left that (he is.)

So, again. Apologies.
 


People fear the "left nanny system" being replace by the "right nanny system"

But the only "right" system is to dismantle them both and return the power to the people.

Vivek sums this up perfectly.
 
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Beerus said:


People fear the "left nanny system" being replace by the "right nanny system"

But the only "right" system is to dismantle them both and return the power to the people.

Vivek sums this up perfectly.
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What do you consider power to the people?
 
ahill1 said:
What do you consider power to the people?
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Less government overreach.

The government should have less legal power and authority in everyone's personal lives, even with things I would otherwise be comfortable with being outlawed outright. We have to come to a cultural point to change stuff like that and can't mandate what adults do with their bodies. Protective measures for children are necessary so like going after drug dealers I am all for but imprisoning addicts is wrong.

I am anti-big government and feel it should be cut in half at minimum.
 
Beerus said:
Less government overreach.

The government should have less legal power and authority in everyone's personal lives, even with things I would otherwise be comfortable with being outlawed outright. We have to come to a cultural point to change stuff like that and can't mandate what adults do with their bodies. Protective measures for children are necessary so like going after drug dealers I am all for but imprisoning addicts is wrong.

I am anti-big government and feel it should be cut in half at minimum.
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But government is also needed in times of crisis, for example, we couldn't have handled covid without government intervention. Or back in the 1929 depression for example.

I would disagree with that being power for the people. Some people aren't born in good conditions, with their families struggling financially, the kids needing to work rather than study to help the family. They may never have power if the government doesn't establish policies aimed to benefit those born in unequal situations, those who were born into war... From my position, non-governmental regulation would be ideal to who has the conditions to live with dignity on their own, but inequality, wealth concentration is a reality that makes no government intervention into cyclical situations for many people.
 
ahill1 said:
But government is also needed in times of crisis, for example, we couldn't have handled covid without government intervention. Or back in the 1929 depression for example.

I would disagree with that being power for the people. Some people aren't born in good conditions, with their families struggling financially, the kids needing to work rather than study to help the family. They may never have power if the government doesn't establish policies aimed to benefit those born in unequal situations, those who were born into war... From my position, non-governmental regulation would be ideal to who has the conditions to live with dignity on their own, but inequality, wealth concentration is a reality that makes no government intervention into cyclical situations for many people.
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Life isn't fair and to me, there is no way of forcing equality without removing someone else's rights. I will be fair and tell you I am 100% against federal taxes. State taxes where I see where the money goes (police, roads, etc.) is fine.

Covid is a bad example cause countries that told people to do what they felt was best ended up being better off financially, emotionally, and physically. That is a classic government overreach problem where they try to do good and end up damaging way more. Because of lockdowns, sure the virus spread was slown down but drug abuse went up, domestic violence went up, and suicides (especially among teens and young adults) skyrocketed. So many people lost their jobs, their homes, and many took their own lives because of it. I don't know about other countries but in America is was a massive disaster that caused more people to lose their lives than otherwise would not have.

People having power doesn't mean the power to rule other people, take from other people, or demand work from other people. Slavery existed for as long as it did because of that way of thinking. Heck, it still is a problem today, way more so than every in history but it is tucked away and people are able to conveniently ignore it for life's luxuries.

I don't like the idea of taking from one person by force to give to another regardless of circumstances. That is quite literally theft.

I think charity is beautiful and I think we should all be willing to help where we can but relying on the government to force it, I am not on that. I will never change my mind on it either. Back in the day churches were largely used to help support people and lift them out of poverty, and help struggling families. People knew each other and wanted the best for their communities. That kind of socialism works because morals, culture, and religion align and the overwhelming majority are on the same page. So even if one person takes advantage, it won't hurt the collective incentive to do good.

For me individual freedom outweighs collective "safety".

Approaching things the way we have been with safety nets and trying to make things "fair" has led to less educated, less healthy, and more lazy/sloth people and you can see this in every westernized world. We have millions of families now stuck on generation welfare and stuck in poverty because these systems do not work.

I have seen women crying and explaining how the welfare system has trapped them. They can't get a promotion at work because that would kick them off welfare and in turn will have less means to feed their children. They can't get married because the joint income of a spouse would remove the ability to afford rent. So they end up stuck living in poverty without a way out and that is heartbreaking.

That is a whole other discussion though and I have to get some work done lol
 

Honestly pretty acurate TBH!
Trump literally said "you dont have to vote again ill Fix it!"
"And ill only be a dictator on the first day!"
If Project 2025 is real we are all doomed!
 
Kid Goku said:
If Project 2025 is real we are all doomed!
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Did ya actually read what was in it though? Cause most of it deals with farmer's rights and things like that. I was under the impression it was some very conservative Catholic thing but it isn't. Everything they said about it was a lie. And this is just a group that pitches to republicans every election and they pretty much get ignored lol Trump said he didn't even look at the thing. His platform has been on his site for like a year, it is Agenda 47. They couldn't criticize that though because it is all commonsense things that people actually want done, even if they hate Trump, so the media and the democrats used Project 2025 to gaslight people.
 
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