My Personal Problem With Super

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I’ve been thinking about this for a while and after pondering over it for some time now I’m convinced.

My issue with it isn’t the controversy over the quality or the amount of plot holes. It’s that it replaced Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z for a lot of people. Not to mention it caused a division between the fandoms.

I would have been fine with Toriyama stopping his involvement with the franchise after BOG and even FNF despite its glaring flaws because they didn’t overtake the original work, not to mention, at least in BOG’s case, it saved the franchise from the damage Evolution caused.

It really seems like a lot of new fans to the franchise only watch Super and/or Daima and ignore everything before it and I feel like they are sorely missing out on a great experience.

Do you agree with me?
 
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If they are only watching Super they are missing out. I mean I don't know of anyone that watched Super that didn't see the OG series from the franchise. I suspect the ones that do this are mostly kids, maybe at most late teens. Anyone in their 20s, 30s, and beyond at the very least watched DBZ.
 
Yoshi said:
I’ve been thinking about this for a while and after pondering over it for some time now I’m convinced.

My issue with it isn’t the controversy over the quality or the amount of plot holes. It’s that it replaced Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z for a lot of people. Not to mention it caused a division between the fandoms.
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That's always been a thing (GT anyone?). DB fans are just toxic (well, most hardcore fans of most things are). I also very highly doubt there's a lot of people (certainly a significant portion of the fandom) who say DBS is the best iteration of Dragon Ball.
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It really seems like a lot of new fans to the franchise only watch Super and/or Daima and ignore everything before it and I feel like they are sorely missing out on a great experience.
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Well I mean, my gateway to Dragon Ball was literally DBZ when I was a kid. I didn't even watch Dragon Ball until like a whole decade after. People see something new on their streaming platform and go "Oh cool, people talk about this thing a lot, let's take a look".

I don't disagree that they're missing out, but Daima is on Netflix. None of the others are. The average person isn't going to get a Crunchyroll subscription or go out of their way to hunt another series unless they're heavily invested.

BOG and even FNF
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As an aside, why do you abbreviate the English title for Battle of Gods, but use an abbreviation for the Japanese title Resurrection F?

It's just confusing, as I've literally only ever seen you use that abbreviation, and no one else use it anywhere else.
 
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As an aside, why do you abbreviate the English title for Battle of Gods, but use an abbreviation for the Japanese title Resurrection F?

It's just confusing, as I've literally only ever seen you use that abbreviation, and no one else use it anywhere else.
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It’s just a force of habit I picked up on other DBZ communities.
 
I started my journey with Dragon Ball Z when it first aired on Toonami in the afternoon. That was back in the late 90's, I believe. I was already a huge anime fan at the time and it really drew me in. It wasn't later until I watched Dragon Ball, but that was even after I watched GT, IIRC.

In this case... I didn't know about Dragon Ball since DBZ was what was on TV. I think that people who like something eventually look up the history of it and then watch the older shows.
 
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LividJay said:
I started my journey with Dragon Ball Z when it first aired on Toonami in the afternoon. That was back in the late 90's, I believe. I was already a huge anime fan at the time and it really drew me in. It wasn't later until I watched Dragon Ball, but that was even after I watched GT, IIRC.
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My first technical anime was Pokemon. Digimon around the same time since it aired on the same network. I was 9 or so at the time. I started watching Toonami I think when I was 11. I watched most of what they offered. DBZ, Sailor Moon, Big O, Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Bleach, Inuyasha, etc.

DBZ was the one that stuck with me the longest.
 
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My first technical anime was Pokemon. Digimon around the same time since it aired on the same network. I was 9 or so at the time. I started watching Toonami I think when I was 11. I watched most of what they offered. DBZ, Sailor Moon, Big O, Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Bleach, Inuyasha, etc.

DBZ was the one that stuck with me the longest.
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hmm... It's difficult for me to remember, but I think my first was Voltron (aka Go Lion).
 
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Do you guys think I’m coming from a place of nostalgia when I made this thread?
 
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Maybe? I mean long time fans will prefer what they grew up with. DBS isn't bad but it is not on the same level as DBZ.
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True. And while Super isn't bad, it lost the edge of what previous Dragon Ball series had. I liked the art, (after they fixed some shit), but it didn't really fit the art we've had for the past many decades. And then... how many more fucking hair colors do Saiyan's need? The transformations have gotten way out of hand.
 
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Coming up with different color hair for the Super Saiyans was something I used to do in High School. That’s also why I was somewhat obsessed with SSJ Broly, LSSJ Broly, SSJ4 Gogeta, SSJ4 Goku, and SSJ4 Vegeta, also partly because they were like novelty at the time. In Super the idea was overused to the point of losing their appeal in my opinion.
 
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Coming up with different color hair for the Super Saiyans was something I used to do in High School. That’s also why I was somewhat obsessed with SSJ Broly, LSSJ Broly, SSJ4 Gogeta, SSJ4 Goku, and SSJ4 Vegeta, also partly because they were like novelty at the time. In Super the idea was overused to the point of losing their appeal in my opinion.
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Thats why i stopped giving vsm diffrent haur colours!
I even reduced the aura of his main form so that he doesnt look piss yellow!
 
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In Super the idea was overused to the point of losing their appeal in my opinion.
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I think this was because it wasn't a fan-fiction concept and realized into the actual media.

The Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan just feels super silly. Especially after saying it a few times. lol Then Super Saiyan Blue was kind of rushed in shortly after which to me diminished the point entirely of having SSGSS. Now we have the next form through Daima being canon.
 
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I think this was because it wasn't a fan-fiction concept and realized into the actual media.

The Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan just feels super silly. Especially after saying it a few times. lol Then Super Saiyan Blue was kind of rushed in shortly after which to me diminished the point entirely of having SSGSS. Now we have the next form through Daima being canon.
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SSGSS IS Blue
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Yoshi said:
I’ve been thinking about this for a while and after pondering over it for some time now I’m convinced.

My issue with it isn’t the controversy over the quality or the amount of plot holes. It’s that it replaced Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z for a lot of people. Not to mention it caused a division between the fandoms.

I would have been fine with Toriyama stopping his involvement with the franchise after BOG and even FNF despite its glaring flaws because they didn’t overtake the original work, not to mention, at least in BOG’s case, it saved the franchise from the damage Evolution caused.

It really seems like a lot of new fans to the franchise only watch Super and/or Daima and ignore everything before it and I feel like they are sorely missing out on a great experience.

Do you agree with me?
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Sorry its a little late but yes I do agree bog did amazing with saving the franchise its damage control did proect form a serious disaster without it could been a lot worse. I do talk to younger fans like my nephew and his friends and it seems only know diama and I ask what about an older series irs super they hard of the Granola arc but that's about it
 
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Yoshi said:
Do you guys think I’m coming from a place of nostalgia when I made this thread?
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Not sure i would say that my nephew told me that the older stuff is boring and doesn't grab him at all and too long. That's why animes woth longer animes started to do a season then a movie with season 2 and 3 and then 4 is a season . It breaks it up or they do full movies irs for yonger anime fans they have a different way of interacting with anime and the production has relized this this is why super is being remade to a movie . So it sparks the other movies then possiblely the older seasons of Dragon Ball this is there supposed plan
 
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