Can you explain how Saiyan tails work?

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I know there have been some theories thrown around but it seems a bit... Odd?

Goku had his tail removed three times, mean it grew back twice (not included GT).
Vegeta was show as having his tail removed once and that was it. It never grew back.
Gohan had his tail removed by Piccolo twice and once by Vegeta meaning it grew back twice.
Goten and Trunks appear to have not been born with tails at all.

So, what gives? How exactly does this work?
 

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They almost definitely removed Goten and Trunks tails. Gohan only had one because Goku and Chi Chi didn't know about Oozarus and they had just met Krillin, Roshi, and Bulma again at the beginning of Z.
 

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They almost definitely removed Goten and Trunks tails. Gohan only had one because Goku and Chi Chi didn't know about Oozarus and they had just met Krillin, Roshi, and Bulma again at the beginning of Z.
So do you think they were removed at birth, which is not shown? It still doesn't account for Gohan and Goku needing the tail to be removed several times. Also, in DBS when Bulla was born, she appeared to be without a tail already.
 

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They might have removed them many times before that or something. Enough to where they stopped growing at all. Gohan was still a child when he ended up not having a tail anymore.
 
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They might have removed them many times before that or something. Enough to where they stopped growing at all. Gohan was still a child when he ended up not having a tail anymore.
Some say it was just down to lazy editing and forgetfulness in general. Given that we know Launch/Lunch was simply just forgotten, it would not surprise me. lol
 
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Yeah, I think with a lot of shows there are things that are implied. Most likely a lot of these details may have been forgotten. Remember in GT they grew Goku's tail back by using pliers or something and then pulling on it? I don't remember. It was stupid. But I have a feeling all of the half-saiyans had a tail at some point and they just didn't show it. It was no longer relevant to tell the story, though, it would have made it more interesting.
 
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But I have a feeling all of the half-saiyans had a tail at some point and they just didn't show it. It was no longer relevant to tell the story, though, it would have made it more interesting.
I would have preferred it. I mean it was part of what made a Saiyan a Saiyan originally. Even if they had to keep removing it. I mean had they kept it, they could have used it for another power up like they did in GT but written better.
 
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Okay, taking all that I know and everyone else's comments into consideration, I'm going to drop some knowledge in this discussion. It might get kind of weird so bear with me.

We'll start with characters being born with/not born with tails. All full blooded Saiyans from Universe 7 are born with tails as we know. I believe it might have been in the Daizenshuu guides, but I remember seeing information that says in regards to half-breeds getting tails or not, it seems to be a recessive trait. My own two cents in the matter is that more of the kids should have had tails, it shouldn't have been just Gohan and that's it. Non-canonically, I like how MasakoX gave Ranch a tail seeing as she's the daughter of Raditz and Launch, but their other two kids Daikon and Mooli do not.

As for information regarding why the tails sometimes grow back, well it's more spotty but Daizenshuu states that they'll grow back suddenly if the Saiyan is in danger or great peril, kind of like a need to protect themselves with their Saiya power, that gets relative to Broly but more on that later. Re-growing of the tail in an emergency was clearly shown during the battle with Vegeta on Earth where Gohan's tail suddenly regenerated after Vegeta beat the crap out of him. No solid information exists why Vegeta never regrew his tail. Some surmise because it might be due to him being an adult. Only kid Goku and Gohan have been shown re-growing their tails. If my memory serves correctly Goku didn't regrow his tail because Kami did something to remove it and prevent it from growing back, but exactly what is never explicitly stated. It also could be due to age because it was around the time he undertook training with him and Goku was nearing his later teen years at that point.

My opinion on Broly using Wrathful form as some people call it could be this need for power. It could also be relative to him being the Legendary Super Saiyan. It could also be some wink and nod to Super Saiyan 4, a reintroduction of the form, hopefully! It's just speculation on my part.

Dragon Ball GT is a mess of plot holes in regards to Saiyan tails and Super Saiyan 4. Why does Goku need his tail to transform into a Golden Great Ape but Baby Vegeta just gets hit with science and transforms? Also, after attaining Super Saiyan 4, why does he not have a tail when he goes back to base form? It comes and goes to the same place that their clothes do when they transform into Super Saiyan 4. It's also the same place that Optimus Prime's trailer goes to/comes from.
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Okay, taking all that I know and everyone else's comments into consideration, I'm going to drop some knowledge in this discussion. It might get kind of weird so bear with me.

We'll start with characters being born with/not born with tails. All full blooded Saiyans from Universe 7 are born with tails as we know. I believe it might have been in the Daizenshuu guides, but I remember seeing information that says in regards to half-breeds getting tails or not, it seems to be a recessive trait. My own two cents in the matter is that more of the kids should have had tails, it shouldn't have been just Gohan and that's it. Non-canonically, I like how MasakoX gave Ranch a tail seeing as she's the daughter of Raditz and Launch, but their other two kids Daikon and Mooli do not.

As for information regarding why the tails sometimes grow back, well it's more spotty but Daizenshuu states that they'll grow back suddenly if the Saiyan is in danger or great peril, kind of like a need to protect themselves with their Saiya power, that gets relative to Broly but more on that later. Re-growing of the tail in an emergency was clearly shown during the battle with Vegeta on Earth where Gohan's tail suddenly regenerated after Vegeta beat the crap out of him. No solid information exists why Vegeta never regrew his tail. Some surmise because it might be due to him being an adult. Only kid Goku and Gohan have been shown re-growing their tails. If my memory serves correctly Goku didn't regrow his tail because Kami did something to remove it and prevent it from growing back, but exactly what is never explicitly stated. It also could be due to age because it was around the time he undertook training with him and Goku was nearing his later teen years at that point.

My opinion on Broly using Wrathful form as some people call it could be this need for power. It could also be relative to him being the Legendary Super Saiyan. It could also be some wink and nod to Super Saiyan 4, a reintroduction of the form, hopefully! It's just speculation on my part.

Dragon Ball GT is a mess of plot holes in regards to Saiyan tails and Super Saiyan 4. Why does Goku need his tail to transform into a Golden Great Ape but Baby Vegeta just gets hit with science and transforms? Also, after attaining Super Saiyan 4, why does he not have a tail when he goes back to base form? It comes and goes to the same place that their clothes do when they transform into Super Saiyan 4. It's also the same place that Optimus Prime's trailer goes to/comes from.
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That is actually a good observation when it comes to Saiyans being children. Even in GT, Goku was a kid again when his tail regrew. So there must be something to that. I still don't like the recessive gene theory/logic though I have read about it. I mean Vegeta's kids both have different colored hair but Goten had the dark hair and dark eyes just like Gohan. I know Chichi too has dark hair and dark eyes but there should have been some variation that made Gohan special.
 

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I can see that being the case for Trunks given his eye color and hair color but Goten looks exactly like a little Goku.
One can inherit looks from one parent, and genetic predispositions from the other, it's not entirely unheard of and I assume that's how we're supposed to take Gotenks.
 
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One can inherit looks from one parent, and genetic predispositions from the other, it's not entirely unheard of and I assume that's how we're supposed to take Gotenks.
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Looks from one parent, check!
Predisposition from the other to include, insatiable appetite, competitive nature, and ability to receive zenkai after injury, check!
No Saiyan tail though. I guess everyone can't be a winner. :p
 
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whoa, that dude fucked a rabbit.
Firstly, that isn’t the first time I’ve heard that about him which is hilarious.
Secondly, that’s not just any rabbit but Sorrel from Universe 9 ToP.
Thirdly, they’re married so it’s safe to say he’s done it more than just the one time. 😂
 
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Firstly, that isn’t the first time I’ve heard that about him which is hilarious.
Secondly, that’s not just any rabbit but Sorrel from Universe 9 ToP.
Thirdly, they’re married so it’s safe to say he’s done it more than just the one time. 😂
I'm just tryna figure out how those genetics work...LUL
 

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