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A female cop who was clearly not trained to be a cop meant to reach for her taser and instead grabbed her gun, shooting and killing Daunte Wright. I get that modern taser guns look/feel similar to a standard gun these days but how the f do you mess this up?

This cop clearly was in the wrong and is fully responsible for the man's death. I am sure she will face prison time for it and rightfully so. He was resisting arrest which was his fault but he did not deserve to be killed over it and even she knew this which is why she was reaching for what she thought to be her taser gun. He had a warrant out for his arrest over owning a gun which last I checked was legal in this country.

Instead of "defunding the police" which I am sure will be brought up again, how about we FUND the police so there is better training and they don't have cops like this who are poorly trained out on the streets? Something needs to be done about this.

And once again, riots have broken out causing massive damage and people destroying businesses and robbing them. By all means, protest and be upset but destroying businesses and robbing them? People that do this are acting like animals and a man's death should not equate to a free pair of shoes or a new TV. WTF is wrong with these people? They just want an excuse to destroy things and rob businesses. The same businesses that were targeted in the recent riot and looting fest were also the ones from last year's riots who were hit the hardest. They are destroying these cities and do not give a crap. People are sticking living there without an option to leave and their lives are being turned upside down right now, again. This is not justice, this is insanity.
 
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A female cop who was clearly not trained to be a cop meant to reach for her taser and instead grabbed her gun, shooting and killing Daunte Wright. I get that modern taser guns look/feel similar to a standard gun these days but how the f do you mess this up?

This cop clearly was in the wrong and is fully responsible for the man's death. I am sure she will face prison time for it and rightfully so. He was resisting arrest which was his fault but he did not deserve to be killed over it and even she knew this which is why she was reaching for what she thought to be her taser gun. He had a warrant out for his arrest over owning a gun which last I checked was legal in this country.

Instead of "defunding the police" which I am sure will be brought up again, how about we FUND the police so there is better training and they don't have cops like this who are poorly trained out on the streets? Something needs to be done about this.

And once again, riots have broken out causing massive damage and people destroying businesses and robbing them. By all means, protest and be upset but destroying businesses and robbing them? People that do this are acting like animals and a man's death should not equate to a free pair of shoes or a new TV. WTF is wrong with these people? They just want an excuse to destroy things and rob businesses. The same businesses that were targeted in the recent riot and looting fest were also the ones from last year's riots who were hit the hardest. They are destroying these cities and do not give a crap. People are sticking living there without an option to leave and their lives are being turned upside down right now, again. This is not justice, this is insanity.
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It's my opinion that she reacted without thinking in a stressful situation. You ever have a moment where you go, "What am I doing or why did I just do that?" That's probably what happened in this situation. I don't know where she carries her Taser on her belt, but it should be opposite your weapon because while they have the general appearance of a pistol, they don't feel the same in the hand. They're meant to be different enough that you can tell by feel if you can't see it in the dark.

She should face charges because you're responsible for every piece of lead that comes out of your service weapon. While Daunte was already facing seizure of his person because of an outstanding warrant for his arrest, being shot by a gov't actor is also considered a seizure of your person under the 4th amendment. So, she's culpable for negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter. It's clearly evident she did not intend to do what she did. Yet, you're responsible for your actions all the same. I feel bad for her in a way, but being an adult has consequences and being in a position of authority as a law enforcement officer is one of the heaviest burdens you can carry.
 
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It's my opinion that she reacted without thinking in a stressful situation. You ever have a moment where you go, "What am I doing or why did I just do that?" That's probably what happened in this situation. I don't know where she carries her Taser on her belt, but it should be opposite your weapon because while they have the general appearance of a pistol, they don't feel the same in the hand. They're meant to be different enough that you can tell by feel if you can't see it in the dark.

She should face charges because you're responsible for every piece of lead that comes out of your service weapon. While Daunte was already facing seizure of his person because of an outstanding warrant for his arrest, being shot by a gov't actor is also considered a seizure of your person under the 4th amendment. So, she's culpable for negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter. It's clearly evident she did not intend to do what she did. Yet, you're responsible for your actions all the same. I feel bad for her in a way, but being an adult has consequences and being in a position of authority as a law enforcement officer is one of the heaviest burdens you can carry.
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I knew the basics of the laws and reading what happened, I knew right off the bat that she is going down for this. Had nothing to do with race though, in my humble opinion yet that is what they make of it. There are plenty of cases where it is an issue of cops acting according to color though but they tend not to get as much attention because the people involved aren't killed. The other thread about the army fella, I am almost certain that was about race. No cop would act like that with a dude being that calm if they weren't racial profiling the man. I get that cops that work in certain areas have to be more cautious based on statistics though and I wouldn't call that an act of "racism" but when they go out of their way to treat a black man (or woman) less than they would a white person, that is when it becomes an issue. If you are pulling someone over or approaching an incident, you treat the person based on their actions and most cops know this, or at least I would like to assume most cops know this. Haven't had issues with our cops in my area.
 
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He had a warrant out for his arrest over owning a gun which last I checked was legal in this country.
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The officer who shot him made a horrible mistake that she has to live with forever but it all boils down to if Daunte would never have resisted arrest in the first place he would still be alive. Take it for what you will.
 
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The officer who shot him made a horrible mistake that she has to live with forever but it all boils down to if Daunte would never have resisted arrest in the first place he would still be alive. Take it for what you will.
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He made a bad decision, likely many of them leading up to that moment. The cop is still accountable either way. I mean, they both are really. Bad decisions + bad training = bad outcomes.
 
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I kind of assumed she would be facing time for this. If you don't know how to manage your weapons and your emotions, you should not be a cop.
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Watching the video time and time again, she just lost herself in the moment and didn't know what she grabbed. Every bit of training she displayed showed she meant to use the Taser which is for active resistance and a Less than lethal force device. She gave him a warning, she announced "TASER" to let her fellow officers know to get out of the way so they didn't get hit, and then as soon as she heard a *POP* of the round going off she was like "Oh shit! I think I just shot him." She did everything right except didn't have the presence of mind to know what she had in her hand. That is where her training failed. She was a 26 year veteran as well and it goes to show you that no matter how senior you can make mistakes that are very costly.
 
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Watching the video time and time again, she just lost herself in the moment and didn't know what she grabbed. Every bit of training she displayed showed she meant to use the Taser which is for active resistance and a Less than lethal force device. She gave him a warning, she announced "TASER" to let her fellow officers know to get out of the way so they didn't get hit, and then as soon as she heard a *POP* of the round going off she was like "Oh shit! I think I just shot him." She did everything right except didn't have the presence of mind to know what she had in her hand. That is where her training failed. She was a 26 year veteran as well and it goes to show you that no matter how senior you can make mistakes that are very costly.
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Just a sad story all around then. They need to make a clear distinction between the guns they can easily spot or something. I have never heard of something like this happening, especially not with a vet cop.
 
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Just a sad story all around then. They need to make a clear distinction between the guns they can easily spot or something. I have never heard of something like this happening, especially not with a vet cop.
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It unfortunately has happened before and I believe it was also a female officer involved in a shooting in Tulsa, OK. where she meant to deploy the Taser but went for the weapon instead. The only thing that can possibly solve this is training your officers to slow down and have the presence of mind to make calculated decisions. Especially if you're going to deploy any device against someone. If you want to just dive on somebody and go hands on without thinking then that's on you and the risks against them versus yourself are a lot lower. They may have a knife or a gun and then what are you going to do? So, even if she took a second to slow down her thought process and it allowed him to get away then so be it. The law would have caught up to him eventually.

I hate to Monday morning quarterback these things because I wasn't there, but it also helps to take a calculated analysis of situations like these so it can be understood what went wrong and how not to repeat it.
 
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It unfortunately has happened before and I believe it was also a female officer involved in a shooting in Tulsa, OK. where she meant to deploy the Taser but went for the weapon instead. The only thing that can possibly solve this is training your officers to slow down and have the presence of mind to make calculated decisions. Especially if you're going to deploy any device against someone. If you want to just dive on somebody and go hands on without thinking then that's on you and the risks against them versus yourself are a lot lower. They may have a knife or a gun and then what are you going to do? So, even if she took a second to slow down her thought process and it allowed him to get away then so be it. The law would have caught up to him eventually.

I hate to Monday morning quarterback these things because I wasn't there, but it also helps to take a calculated analysis of situations like these so it can be understood what went wrong and how not to repeat it.
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Maybe they should have guns made in a way to have a warning bullet or something kind of like how you load a shotgun for home protection and use game bullets mixed in. This way if it is a misfire, it won't be deadly. That, or start using tranquilizer guns. I never understood why they didn't use those to begin with.
 
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Maybe they should have guns made in a way to have a warning bullet or something kind of like how you load a shotgun for home protection and use game bullets mixed in. This way if it is a misfire, it won't be deadly. That, or start using tranquilizer guns. I never understood why they didn't use those to begin with.
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All of what you said is very tactically unsound. Allow me to explain. NEVER mix your loads in a shotgun for home defense with the intent to wound. Why? Intending to wound is a recipe for destroying your life either criminally or through civil suits. Also, what if you need something like #4 or 00 buck to put down a violent offender right then and there and you just pepper them with bird shot. There is no way in hell during a violent encounter that anyone is going to have the presence of mind to be able to count their shells and determine what type is first in the chamber or magazine tube. Your heart rate is going to be between 180-200 and you're going to have poop in your shorts. A lot of funny things happen to the human body when you get that amped up on adrenaline and put into the "flight or fight" mode. Rational thinking is down at the bottom of the list.

As for tranquilizing for person, another huge liability civilly because it can cause undue harm and anaphylaxis because you're injecting someone with drugs. I don't even think they make drug cocktails that would be for a person. Animals can sue and if one has a bad reaction to the drugs then the animal's family can't sue.

Trust me, poking holes in someone with a firearm has it's place and time. There are other things that can be done until your reach that level of force, but if you get there then so be it. Whether or not the person on the business end survives if between them and the almighty. You just need to ensure when you do it that it's reasonable and necessary.

https://www.fletc.gov/sites/default/files/PartIITheObjectiveTest.pdf

The provided link will explain how things are viewed in the U.S. from a legal perspective that U.S. Supreme Court created after this specific case involved.
 
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A lot of funny things happen to the human body when you get that amped up on adrenaline and put into the "flight or fight" mode
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I know more about this than I should. I get the adrenaline rush without any danger so I feel everything. It is horrible.

And yeah I don't know much of anything about guns so I won't pretend to. My ideas and thoughts in matters like this are likely only ever good in theory or in a small percentage of cases. We just need to get to a place where freeze rays are invented.