Transformation tree discussion

I think it's taking it too deep worrying about Legendary SSJ and Controlled SSJ, I think it's better to think of the green hair form as Berserker SSJ, the DBZ Broly version as LSSJ, with Kale achieving Controlled Berseker SSJ. He makes valid points about Wrathful vs. SSJ4, but I think he's worrying too much about the distinction between LSSJ and Berserker, as I said above, just call it Berserker and you don't have to worry about that distinction, LSSJ was Broly DBZ, Berserker is Broly Heroes and Kale, end of problem. Otherwise I like the branches he's got.
 
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To me, these are the mortal transformation trees:

Classic Branch:

Base -> Super Saiyan -> Super Saiyan Grade 2 -> Super Saiyan Grade 3

Base -> Super Saiyan -> Super Saiyan 2 -> Super Saiyan 3

Primal Branch:

Base -> Oozaru -> Golden Oozaru -> Super Saiyan 4
 
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It gets a little funny when we try to tackle Broly and Kale. They're confusing two completely different things because they're different people and from different universes. Classic is fine with the caveat they're missing Grade 2, 3, and 4. Primal is very well handled and shows what I have always believed in my mind that SSJ4 is a different track than all the other forms. The divine branch is also well handled between the god and angelic forms. I also appreciate the addendum he added about Hakai-shin Vegeta.
 
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I see this tree maker jacked my "primal" wording for SS4. Makes more sense to just call it Saiyan Primal.

About the Broly thing. They called Kale's transformation Berserker. So to me, that is a different thing. This is also from a different universe. Kale went nuts like Broly in the original movies but his power-up was a bit different. I think both were born with this ability but Kale's came from sadness and Broly's came from anger. It is the same concept but two different achievements in two different universes.
 
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I made a tree for how I see things. I am not sure if I forgot anything or not. I might have. lol
I also don't know what Vegeta's thing is called so I named it what I thought sounded good.

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India Actual said:
Nicely done!
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I consider Broly and Kale's forms to be some kind of "born with it" gift or some sort of curse. I mean their Saiyan transformations seemed to come easier but were way harder to master. Not sure if that makes sense. Does the rest make sense though?
 
I would think SSj 4 is a sort of good or atleast Neutral oozaru then again i didntz watch Gt fully!
 
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Hopefully I don't forget, but I'd like to use my janky MSPaint skills to make a tree too lol

What I got in text atm

Base Saiyan

Classic Branch

[UWSL]-SSJ[/UWSL]

SSJ1 Sub-Branch
[UWSL]-Ascended SSJ [/UWSL]
[UWSL]-Full Power SSJ (Super Vegeta) [/UWSL]
[UWSL]-MSSJ [/UWSL]

-SSJ2
-SSJ3

Berserker Branch

-Berserker SSJ
-Legendary SSJ

Enraged Branch
-Enraged (Gohan and Vegeta)
-Mystic
-Enraged Asspull SSJ (Trunks vs Zamasu)
-Spirit-Infused Enraged Asspull SSJ

--- Divine Branch

Angelic Sub-Branch

-Ultra Instinct Sign
-Mastered Ultra Instinct

Destroyer Sub-Branch

-Hakai Initiate
-God of Destruction

SSJ God Sub-Branch

-SSJG
-SSJ Blue
-SSJ Blue Enraged (Goku vs Zamasu)
-Full Power SSJ Blue (Super Vegeta Blue)

-SSJ Rose

Primal Branch
-Oozaru
-Golden Oozaru
-SSJ4
 
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Could legendary super saiyan not have more forms like ssj2 and 3? correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't kefla achieve lssj2 in the ToP?
 
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India Actual said:
She does achieve SSJ2 in her own transformation line. Once she gains control from her berserk form she hits 2.
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Does kale even count i mean Every form of her outside of berserk is filler same with GoD Toppo! And Blue evo and Blue Kaioken and Blue perfected and and and....!