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<blockquote data-quote="Super Kami Guru" data-source="post: 3476" data-attributes="member: 22"><p>Yeah, that's how they'll get the less technologically-minded on board. "Oh the people using this are all perverts, let's definitely stop it now!" Well no, actually, the vast majority of people employing end-to-end encryption tend to be on the level and are simply security-minded. We live in a terrible world with terrible people in it, is it really so bad to want to know, for sure, that what you are doing is kept to yourself and your personal information is not being taken by someone randomly sniffing your network traffic? Are there people using it for things that are despicable and illegal? Without question they are, and I hope those people can be found and brought to book for what they're doing; however, stripping the rights of everyone to catch a small percentage of people is not the way to go about it. </p><p></p><p>Some people use cars to drive drunk and/or kill people, should all people be forced to give up their cars? No, but there are some people who absolutely should never be near them. Hyperbole, yes, but the point stands. You can't strip the privacy away from everyone, and snoop on what everyone is doing just because some people use the internet for nefarious things. That's not how rights work and that's not how governments should be handling things.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The downside to those social media platforms being as large as they are, and another reason I loathe a centralized internet approach, is that there's simply too much content and too much going on for there to be effective moderation. Some of it gets caught, and that's fantastic, but unless more average users are willing to step in and report each and every piece of objectionable material they come across, it's never going to end. Exploiting children for purposes like that is the lowest of the low and I hope there's a day when it is completely eradicated from the world as a whole. That said, I absolutely do not want that to come at the expense of privacy and security. That's why I object to this particular attempt to once again strip away the rights of the average person online, even if the cause they are trying to push is one worth going after, this is not the method to make that happen. The cost is too high.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly right. Give them an inch they will take a mile. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes it does, but this the mindset that cannot be taken. It's deplorable what they do, but stripping basic rights from everyone to get a small percentage of people is not the right approach.</p><p></p><p>(Sorry for diverting once again! Back to the virus discussion!)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Super Kami Guru, post: 3476, member: 22"] Yeah, that's how they'll get the less technologically-minded on board. "Oh the people using this are all perverts, let's definitely stop it now!" Well no, actually, the vast majority of people employing end-to-end encryption tend to be on the level and are simply security-minded. We live in a terrible world with terrible people in it, is it really so bad to want to know, for sure, that what you are doing is kept to yourself and your personal information is not being taken by someone randomly sniffing your network traffic? Are there people using it for things that are despicable and illegal? Without question they are, and I hope those people can be found and brought to book for what they're doing; however, stripping the rights of everyone to catch a small percentage of people is not the way to go about it. Some people use cars to drive drunk and/or kill people, should all people be forced to give up their cars? No, but there are some people who absolutely should never be near them. Hyperbole, yes, but the point stands. You can't strip the privacy away from everyone, and snoop on what everyone is doing just because some people use the internet for nefarious things. That's not how rights work and that's not how governments should be handling things. The downside to those social media platforms being as large as they are, and another reason I loathe a centralized internet approach, is that there's simply too much content and too much going on for there to be effective moderation. Some of it gets caught, and that's fantastic, but unless more average users are willing to step in and report each and every piece of objectionable material they come across, it's never going to end. Exploiting children for purposes like that is the lowest of the low and I hope there's a day when it is completely eradicated from the world as a whole. That said, I absolutely do not want that to come at the expense of privacy and security. That's why I object to this particular attempt to once again strip away the rights of the average person online, even if the cause they are trying to push is one worth going after, this is not the method to make that happen. The cost is too high. Exactly right. Give them an inch they will take a mile. Yes it does, but this the mindset that cannot be taken. It's deplorable what they do, but stripping basic rights from everyone to get a small percentage of people is not the right approach. (Sorry for diverting once again! Back to the virus discussion!) [/QUOTE]
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