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Damn hormones...

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Beerus said:
Watched that too. Yeah, it was good but not as good. Both of them are hilarious.
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The general approach of a male wearing women's clothing and make-up and BAM! They are now a woman is in and of itself is insulting to me. If you are trans, you should need to be transitioning. That is the whole point, or at least it used to be. You don't even have to do that these days. You can dress, look, talk, act the exact same and if you say you are a woman, you are. I am sure some people feel they are in the wrong body but you can't suddenly ignore what your body functions as and disregard science, women, and the entire human species because of how you feel. I don't tend to see this being the case for a lot of trans men, seems to be more of an issue with trans women. Though to be fair, it tends to be easier and cheaper for a woman to transition to a man vs a man transitioning to a woman. Either way. Be whatever the hell you want but don't insult me or other women in the process.
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I agree with this, trans people are usually identified as such because they are in the process of transitioning. The one thing that gets me are the people who go all the way through with the hormonal transition, but keep the downstairs bits...why? After so long on female hormones it doesn't work anymore, you've made yourself sterile and it's doing nothing but shriveling away...so...get on with it? It's not a real vagina, you're not suddenly going to get periods or get pregnant because you had a facsimile made out of your bits. Why bother going through with the rest of it to stop short of the finish line? It's not a pick 'n mix, you're either a trans woman or you're not...once you're that far along there is no logical reason not to finish. At any rate, I agree, it's not right that some people can be considered trans without actually transitioning, those people are simply cross-dressing. If they're on hormone replacement therapy, that's one thing, but just changing your outfit and calling yourself a different name does not make you trans. You're not exactly going to be all that convincing in your skirt and blouse if you come out with a deep booming voice to proclaim yourself as Jennifer and then your skirt starts standing to attention...you transition to more closely resemble a female.

It's difficult for most mtf trans women because the male body has broader shoulders, wider jaws, next to nothing in the hip department, a longer torso in general, considerable facial and body hair, the aforementioned voice that hormones won't suddenly fix, and so on...that's why a lot of trans women either don't go through with transition, or still end up looking like men in womens' clothing in spite of going all the way down the path. The ones that don't even make an effort, though. Those ones are the ones that give actual trans people a bad name. I've got trans friends, they're not waltzing around playing dress up and having a little hanky panky to themselves because they get a thrill out of it, they're legitimately transitioning and are glad when they reach the point where the nether regions no longer hop to attention. It's an insult to them, an insult to biological women, and insult to the intelligence of the average person that's well aware of the fact that they aren't legitimately trans people. You're also right that it's a lot easier for women to transition to men, since they're starting from a smaller bone structure and adding muscle mass through testosterone. It's easier to bulk up than to trim it all down. The only area where it'll be difficult for women to pass as men would be if they've got particularly wide hips.
 
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Beerus said:
Damn hormones...

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I don't need hormonal mood swings for those feelings, I just need my trusty depression and typical rage :D

Yoshi said:
Sorry for my absence yesterday guys. Our power went out for over 12 hours... LOL.
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Ah, yeah, Texas...not great things happening there with the weather at the moment! Glad you're back up and running!
 
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Super Kami Guru said:
I agree with this, trans people are usually identified as such because they are in the process of transitioning. The one thing that gets me are the people who go all the way through with the hormonal transition, but keep the downstairs bits...why? After so long on female hormones it doesn't work anymore, you've made yourself sterile and it's doing nothing but shriveling away...so...get on with it? It's not a real vagina, you're not suddenly going to get periods or get pregnant because you had a facsimile made out of your bits. Why bother going through with the rest of it to stop short of the finish line? It's not a pick 'n mix, you're either a trans woman or you're not...once you're that far along there is no logical reason not to finish. At any rate, I agree, it's not right that some people can be considered trans without actually transitioning, those people are simply cross-dressing. If they're on hormone replacement therapy, that's one thing, but just changing your outfit and calling yourself a different name does not make you trans. You're not exactly going to be all that convincing in your skirt and blouse if you come out with a deep booming voice to proclaim yourself as Jennifer and then your skirt starts standing to attention...you transition to more closely resemble a female.

It's difficult for most mtf trans women because the male body has broader shoulders, wider jaws, next to nothing in the hip department, a longer torso in general, considerable facial and body hair, the aforementioned voice that hormones won't suddenly fix, and so on...that's why a lot of trans women either don't go through with transition, or still end up looking like men in womens' clothing in spite of going all the way down the path. The ones that don't even make an effort, though. Those ones are the ones that give actual trans people a bad name. I've got trans friends, they're not waltzing around playing dress up and having a little hanky panky to themselves because they get a thrill out of it, they're legitimately transitioning and are glad when they reach the point where the nether regions no longer hop to attention. It's an insult to them, an insult to biological women, and insult to the intelligence of the average person that's well aware of the fact that they aren't legitimately trans people. You're also right that it's a lot easier for women to transition to men, since they're starting from a smaller bone structure and adding muscle mass through testosterone. It's easier to bulk up than to trim it all down. The only area where it'll be difficult for women to pass as men would be if they've got particularly wide hips.
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Funny how the loud attention whores ruin everything for everyone else.

I have seen some men transition all the way in every aspect and look as close as a male can to a woman though. Blaire White is a good example of that. You can't tell unless you look at her legs really. She just looks like a woman who had work done. She did everything the right way though (mental health being the top priority) and I can respect that. Trans men do have an easier time though as well because they don't technically have to change anything down there. They can just use a strap-on. Trans women though... Not many people want to be with a lady who has a penis. Good looking tiddies won't make a difference if the guy or gal you are flirting with is not into sausage. Even bi-sexuals want to pick a lane. lol People that dress like the opposite gender are indeed just crossdressers. They are not trans. I am sick of everyone out there using the term when they are changing nothing about themselves. That should not have been normalized because it hurts everyone.
 
Beerus said:
Funny how the loud attention whores ruin everything for everyone else.

I have seen some men transition all the way in every aspect and look as close as a male can to a woman though. Blaire White is a good example of that. You can't tell unless you look at her legs really. She just looks like a woman who had work done. She did everything the right way though (mental health being the top priority) and I can respect that. Trans men do have an easier time though as well because they don't technically have to change anything down there. They can just use a strap-on. Trans women though... Not many people want to be with a lady who has a penis. Good looking tiddies won't make a difference if the guy or gal you are flirting with is not into sausage. Even bi-sexuals want to pick a lane. lol People that dress like the opposite gender are indeed just crossdressers. They are not trans. I am sick of everyone out there using the term when they are changing nothing about themselves. That should not have been normalized because it hurts everyone.
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Oh yeah, there are some trans women that end up looking like very attractive women, and some that end up looking like your typical essex girl, sadly (a lot of trans women tend to overcompensate, go over the top hyper feminine in appearance, too much makeup, slutty attitude, skimpy clothes and a sense of entitlement, anything that is as far away from being possibly masculine as possible). There are also some trans women that just look like your average woman, because they transitioned young enough that their bodies managed to develop a feminine appearance without the need for extra work, and even those who had their male puberty stopped at a young age and then transitioned later, winding up looking like a genetic female after puberty (Jazz Jennings being the prime example, 19 and the only surgery she had was the final transition, but she's got womanly hips, very large natural breasts and looks like a woman). You're spot on, though, trans women will have a hard time finding a partner if they don't got all the way, even in a lesbian relationship, women aren't exactly looking for a limp penis. Most men are too wrapped up in their own masculinity that if they suddenly found out the women they were with had a penis they'd go mad, and could you imagine if theirs was larger than their boyfriend's? :D. I wouldn't be offended if that were the case with someone I was seeing, though I'd be unable to continue a relationship with a pre-op trans woman because, even though I wouldn't be upset at her being pre-op, I am actually looking for a vagina and I have no interest in anal intercourse, so...there's no chance for that relationship to progress. Granted, not all relationships are about sex, and the chance for a friendship would still exist, but little more.

Definitely should not be mislabeling cross dressers as trans, though, they're not the same thing and you're right it's not right to normalize that.
 
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Super Kami Guru said:
I still remember you linking to that guy who pretends to be trans (no way that's a legitimate trans person, no trans person acts like that) who kept hounding some company on twitter that makes products to help women deal with period pains, begging for a free sample because she had "terrible period pains." What a prick. To fake it is disingenuous, insulting to women who actually deal with horrific pains and shows a level of delusion that clearly illustrates a need for intervention. But no, let's have that same person try and force women to wax her balls...ffs...oh but don't poke them, they're full of her menstrual blood she definitely has.
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...so I looked this one up...dude went through with the operation and is now full on with the "I get my period" bit...how could any good psychologist not recognize that this is not a legitimate trans person, this is someone desperate for attention and seriously misguided in life. Still, I suppose the good news is "they" castrated "themselves" so there's some good news, I suppose. Completely delusional and even went so far as to post a pick of the...umm...area...on Twitter, resulting in a ban. Just...this is a failure by whatever psychiatrists treated this person...
 
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