Do you think Caulifla, Kale, and Cabba made Super Saiyan less impactful?

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What I mean by this is the whole transformation. Like the skill, power, and ability to go Super Saiyan in DBZ was such a huge deal.

It seems like the way they wrote it off in the story, kind of dumbed it down a bit. Like I know there is a deeper meaning to it (tingly back) and all but all three of them effortlessly achieved it like it was nothing and they only went through like that, 2 or 3 episodes to show it?

And I know looking back, we can say the same for Goten and kid Trunks. Both of them achieved Super Saiyan like it was nothing as well.

I feel like it could have been done better and it still bothers me.
 
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I think after Goku went Super Sayian it wasn't played up as a big deal because there a new Saiyan level to achieve like 2, 3, Blue, Rose, God, Demi God Devil Slayer 420, 69 LOL Vegeta Sux xXx, and so on. So that why I think it was downplayed and everything personally
 

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I think after Goku went Super Sayian it wasn't played up as a big deal because there a new Saiyan level to achieve like 2, 3, Blue, Rose, God, Demi God Devil Slayer 420, 69 LOL Vegeta Sux xXx, and so on. So that why I think it was downplayed and everything personally
I guess they needed to make the new achievements look better by comparison? Still seems stupid though considering how big of a moment it was to see Goku go SS.
 
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I guess they needed to make the new achievements look better by comparison? Still seems stupid though considering how big of a moment it was to see Goku go SS.
yeah, pretty much and it is stupid because it could have added something to Super that would have been interesting and a throwback, but you know...
 
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I guess they needed to make the new achievements look better by comparison? Still seems stupid though considering how big of a moment it was to see Goku go SS.
I don't think it was to make the new achievements look better, I think they just didn't want to spend the time to build up the story for each person. They needed them to get strong fast and so...they did. Lazy writing...and it really cheapened SSJ.
 

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I don't think it was to make the new achievements look better, I think they just didn't want to spend the time to build up the story for each person. They needed them to get strong fast and so...they did. Lazy writing...and it really cheapened SSJ.
Yeah, it is lazy. I mean really, they could have at least milked it out to be 10 episodes. Rushing it just makes these guys seem like filler and fluff. Like I don't have any attachments to them as characters at all.
 

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Yeah, it is lazy. I mean really, they could have at least milked it out to be 10 episodes. Rushing it just makes these guys seem like filler and fluff. Like I don't have any attachments to them as characters at all.
Me neither. I can see the potential, though. We were discussing in another thread about how Super could have been better and provided the opportunity to bring to the forefront some different characters. This could have been that opportunity.
 
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Me neither. I can see the potential, though. We were discussing in another thread about how Super could have been better and provided the opportunity to bring to the forefront some different characters. This could have been that opportunity.
Yeah and I would have loved to see another strong female character that had a good story. Really, we only have Android 18 and Bulma at this point.
 
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It did somewhat dampen the greatness of SSJ when it became a plaything for the storylines. I mean, they could have had them struggle to achieve it, at least! Goku -- my best friend was just murdered in front of my eyes, I must avenge this, I'm so angry I can feel it snapping...*poof*. Gohan: Use the pain of loss, think about what you will lose if you don't stand up for yourself. All those who sacrificed everything to save you time and again. Man up, 13 year old. Vegeta -- Pure rage. DB Super -- Use the buttgasm! Horrible waste of a potential story and horrible way to tarnish the SSJ legacy.
 

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It was lazy writing on the part of Toei because they're not Toriyama creations. They needed them to play catch up to our heroes so they had them achieve the form to make them relevant. Goku and Vegeta were so astronomically powerful at the point in the series where the ToP started that having 3 base level Saiyans even attempt to hold their mud against them would have been even sillier. It could have been done better like if Universe 6/Sadala got it's own arc, but that ship has sailed.
 

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It was Goten and Trunks who ruined it first, but the U6 Saiyans definitely put a seal on it. At this point I cannot find any SuperSaiyanWhatever transformation exciting anymore, Gohan's SSJ2 was the last one. After that it went full fanservice and that's pretty much it. What they could have done in Super, to raise the stakes up a bit, was to let their imagination and creativity for once run wild and create something brand new for these Saiyans, like completely different transformations or techniques. Make them a worthwhile challenge for Goku and Vegeta, not just some Gotenks rip-off fuses with Broly rip-off.
 

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I'm so glad that tingly back thing was a Toei inclusion because it makes it so much easier to just write it off as non-canon like GT and move on with my life. I don't place much stock in the Super Saiyan transformations honestly, I use too though. I remember being upset when Goten and Trunks just turned Super Saiyan but now that I'm older I just find that kind of hilarious. But like, even that you can justify if you want to as genetic pass down, it was easier for them because they began life as a Super Saiyan sperm. The tingly back thing is just stupid, cheap, and worse of all, it's not even played off like a joke. Goten and Trunks was meant to be funny, like the Cell saga already turned what's suppose to be a Legendary unheard of status that only occurs once of thousand or whatever years into something that every Saiyan character in the series at that point had, so the mysticism and allure of Super Saiyan had already faded. It was just a transformation at that point, it didn't even feel overwhelming powerful anymore as it wasn't enough to deal with the Androids or Cell, that's why they needed Super Saiyan 2 for Gohan. But like the Goten and Trunks thing is like a joke on that. Which I think makes it more palatable than tingle backs because that was just a poor plot excuse to explain the powers up, which didn't need explaining. It was satirizing anything, it was just making the transformation seem easier for no good reason.

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I really focused on back tingles because that was my problem. I don't have an issue in principle with them learning Super Saiyan. Like I said, by Cell it had just become a transformation any Saiyan can do, it didn't carry the luster Namek brought it up, which is why Toriyama had to do something different with Gohan to maintain it's dramatic impact. The way they explain how they transform is what I have an issue with. I kinda love that Cabba learned Super Saiyan from Vegeta, that Vegeta went out of his way to teach Cabba how to become a Super Saiyan. Super Saiyan doesn't mean much of anything anyway so why not use the transformation to add characterization and build relationship dynamics instead?
 
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I kinda love that Cabba learned Super Saiyan from Vegeta, that Vegeta went out of his way to teach Cabba how to become a Super Saiyan.
I really liked the teacher/student relationship they formed. The back tingly thing is so lame though. As I mentioned early, it seems like a lazy way of making these new characters somewhat on par with U7's much more experience Saiyans.
 

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The legendary status of Super Saiyans were ruined by Goten and Trunks, not by anyone in Super.
 

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